The Leak Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 So what are dealers seeing on this? Anyone have anything that was a sample that is now transferable?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Zeek Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 Have a client estate that may have one . . . will be rather interesting to tell the family if so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill in Bama Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 Yeah, another thread is discussing this, but it is apparently true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 Also a complete ATF clusterf**k https://www.machinegunboards.com/forums/index.php?/topic/28590-an-estimated-4000-pre-sample-machine-guns-to-be-re-classified-as-transferable/#comment-256441 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker402 Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 This should bring down the prices on transferable MP5s! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Leak Posted May 8 Author Report Share Posted May 8 lol One just sold for $96,000 today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 37 minutes ago, The Leak said: lol One just sold for $96,000 today Where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 Morphys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 (edited) Final bid or including premiums? Screenshot? I cant seem to find it Edited May 9 by Spartan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark2 Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 This is big, really big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbntex Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 (edited) For those looking for the Morphy's MP5 now transferable results today. They went between $65K and $80K. If I recall correctly these prices listed include the buyers premium assuming it is the 23% full premium but can will adjust downward in the next week or so once buyers get the 3% wire transfer discount. You can watch the links below and see if these are indeed pre buyers premium if the hammer price jumps up in the next day or so but the main listing page appears to show the pre-buyers premium price and the actual webpage for that lot shows the total with BP price. https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/AuctionResults.aspx?auctionid=607&ClosedSessionsOnly=1 Example Lot 1020 shows $65K on the results page above but $79,950 on the lot page ($65000 x 1.23 BP = $79950) https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=603069 https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=603071 https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=603072 It does not include sales tax which will be another $5Kish on top of those prices. Edited May 9 by jbntex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 It's not like 4000 machineguns are just going up for sale tomorrow. How many are still in police departments. How many owners will just keep them or not even realize they are transferable. There are a lot of owners who gave up their SOT years ago who are not internet savy. Etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 7 hours ago, jbntex said: For those looking for the Morphy's MP5 now transferable results today. They went between $65K and $80K. If I recall correctly these prices listed include the buyers premium assuming it is the 23% full premium but can will adjust downward in the next week or so once buyers get the 3% wire transfer discount. You can watch the links below and see if these are indeed pre buyers premium if the hammer price jumps up in the next day or so but the main listing page appears to show the pre-buyers premium price and the actual webpage for that lot shows the total with BP price. https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/AuctionResults.aspx?auctionid=607&ClosedSessionsOnly=1 Example Lot 1020 shows $65K on the results page above but $79,950 on the lot page ($65000 x 1.23 BP = $79950) https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=603069 https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=603071 https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=603072 It does not include sales tax which will be another $5Kish on top of those prices. Even if the guns remain transferable, whomever the buyer/s are are not particularly smart folk. As RR PP guns the values are not near that high IMO. I'd want 120 month guarantee, not 120 days. My transfers are still over 6 months as of today. I was not aware Wed. mornings are big day drinking days? Interesting to see how some rule changes require public notices, comment periods, and publication, while others just seem to occur in a mushroom garden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill in Bama Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 I think most of the ATF rulings just materialize out of thin air, no public notice or comment period, etc. If, for instance, they were to decide to declare another amnesty period, it could just happen since it has already been established that they have authority to do that without Congressional/Executive approval. That's my take, anyway, but I admit I'm not that knowledgeable. If I was I'd be doing a lot better at the buying and selling stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 7 hours ago, johnsonlmg41 said: Even if the guns remain transferable, whomever the buyer/s are are not particularly smart folk. As RR PP guns the values are not near that high IMO. I'd want 120 month guarantee, not 120 days. My transfers are still over 6 months as of today. I was not aware Wed. mornings are big day drinking days? Interesting to see how some rule changes require public notices, comment periods, and publication, while others just seem to occur in a mushroom garden? What exactly makes you think the RR PP guns value wouldn't be that high? There has never been a transferable 1980's production factory Hk Mp5 PP RR offered for sale. Ever. So these are setting the bar, so to speak. Some people don't buy MGs for investments, nor just to spray lead downrange as fast as possible. Some people are collectors who want original, authentic examples of firearms in their collections. And they are willing to pay more to own one. I'd even bet that some collectors would still pay more for a factory RR PP Mp5 even if they were told they wouldn't be able to sell it. Ever. And of all the people who collect firearms, the collectors of HK firearms don't seem to let money be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamarshall2000@yahoo.com Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 So how would one who has a paper form-4 keeper know if that gun is transferable? Is there someone specific to talk to at the ATF NFA Branch that can identify by Make/SN? I know a few folks with keepers, I bet they have no idea if the pre-86 was owned by a police department or merely a Dealer Sample its whole life? Is there a way to check? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 Send a signed and dated letter requesting a check to the ATF-NFA division at nfafax@atf.gov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Leak Posted May 9 Author Report Share Posted May 9 (edited) lol 2 just sold for $96,000 today With 20% buyers premium plus tax per the buyers state. 3% seller fee Edited May 9 by The Leak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 4 hours ago, Chef said: What exactly makes you think the RR PP guns value wouldn't be that high? There has never been a transferable 1980's production factory Hk Mp5 PP RR offered for sale. Ever. So these are setting the bar, so to speak. Some people don't buy MGs for investments, nor just to spray lead downrange as fast as possible. Some people are collectors who want original, authentic examples of firearms in their collections. And they are willing to pay more to own one. I'd even bet that some collectors would still pay more for a factory RR PP Mp5 even if they were told they wouldn't be able to sell it. Ever. And of all the people who collect firearms, the collectors of HK firearms don't seem to let money be an issue. Since you mentioned it... none of those guns are in the original configuration they were sold and two of the three have for sure been refinished. With that many guns, there are likely to be a few that have not been messed with, but these listed fail to pass the "original as sold" test. I'm a bit of a collector and now that we can surmise there will be "hundreds" or more of 80's HK in the market, that means they are not rare.....anymore. I have some very rare stuff, but rarity has little effect on price. Quite possible the buyers on these are not up to speed on the math of what is now in the pipeline? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark2 Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 On 5/8/2024 at 12:24 PM, StrangeRanger said: Also a complete ATF clusterf**k https://www.machinegunboards.com/forums/index.php?/topic/28590-an-estimated-4000-pre-sample-machine-guns-to-be-re-classified-as-transferable/#comment-256441 That thread went downhill fast, SEC Violations, lawsuits??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamarshall2000@yahoo.com Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 I'm not sure how to interpret all the NFA Branch kindness lately. I've always had good people on the phone, etc. But the overall theme of sudden efficiency seems so odd (perhaps suspicious?) given the overall less favorable climate with the political admin. I hope there is no Trojan horse in this "gift" "I fear Greeks even when they bear gifts" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saab95v6 Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 On 5/7/2024 at 10:57 PM, The Leak said: So what are dealers seeing on this? Anyone have anything that was a sample that is now transferable?? Current Dealers are seeing value go up. There are also many Ex FFL/SOT who kept some guns ,that became "transferables" overnight, I am sure they also are seeing value go up. Our Government sure loves to create "wealth" from thin air in every expect , hopefully one day they can make it rain gold . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEW Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 7 hours ago, kamarshall2000@yahoo.com said: I'm not sure how to interpret all the NFA Branch kindness lately. I've always had good people on the phone, etc. But the overall theme of sudden efficiency seems so odd (perhaps suspicious?) given the overall less favorable climate with the political admin. I hope there is no Trojan horse in this "gift" "I fear Greeks even when they bear gifts" I was just discussing this same scenario yesterday with a friend, Trojan horse sure seems concerning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 (edited) Hi, I'm not an FFL/SOT but I have friends that fit that description. Each of my FFL/SOT friends with pre-samples had some turn into transferable using the eforms-populate-eform4 test. No denial pop-ups. I'm not sure if that is a reliable test but it is a start. (The recent transfers in the last 3 months on these firearms had no restrictions on the Form 3 but lack of the dealer sample red stamp has often been an oversight.) Everyone in the industry has been watching BATF clean-up the registry. The "fill in the blank" with some other guns S/N issue has forced BATF to go back to the original paperwork to get what they feel is the correct description/model. Some less than honest folks were turning inexpensive NFA firearms into expensive NFA firearms by falsifying information on forms when transferred. It does remind us that the pen gives as well as takes away. I hope this "give" sticks. Grasshopper Edited May 10 by Grasshopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damcv62 Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 22 hours ago, Mark2 said: That thread went downhill fast, SEC Violations, lawsuits??? Yeah. That was about the most ridiculous thing I’ve read in a while. Lol. The hell does the SEC have to do with this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 SEC handles insider trading and investment issues-machine guns are now considered investments and a commodity which falls under the SEC jurisdiction…yeah I know my stuff too. Machine guns being sold as “investment grade” and even the article in the WSJ from Frank G stated MG’s are sound investments. If someone really wanted to push things, it’s not that much of a stretch boys and girls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill in Bama Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 On 5/7/2024 at 9:57 PM, The Leak said: So what are dealers seeing on this? Anyone have anything that was a sample that is now transferable?? Yeah, four of my pre samples are now transferable. None of my MP5's changed status but other guns did, some I would never have picked for that blessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 What non HK guns are folks now seeing as transferable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill in Bama Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 1 hour ago, Spartan said: What non HK guns are folks now seeing as transferable? MP40, M1A1, M3A1, HK33. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nugg Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 18 minutes ago, Bill in Bama said: MP40, M1A1, M3A1, HK33. I guess you can add a MG34 to the list. I saw it on the Snugbus discussion board with an interesting back story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 So would it be safe to assume that this all actually increases the scarcity and value of pre mays... the ones that are not transferable now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damcv62 Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 (edited) On 5/11/2024 at 9:54 AM, Got Uzi said: SEC handles insider trading and investment issues-machine guns are now considered investments and a commodity which falls under the SEC jurisdiction…yeah I know my stuff too. Machine guns being sold as “investment grade” and even the article in the WSJ from Frank G stated MG’s are sound investments. If someone really wanted to push things, it’s not that much of a stretch boys and girls. Which is still ridiculous. You believe tangible goods are under the prevue of the SEC? Holy crap that’s even funnier! Edited May 12 by damcv62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damcv62 Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 8 hours ago, Spartan said: What non HK guns are folks now seeing as transferable? Tommy, AUG, 240, 249, MK46, G3, FN FAL. I’m forgetting some. We had over 20 flip so far, waiting for the 53’s to flip then it’ll be over 40. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill in Bama Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 7 minutes ago, damcv62 said: Tommy, AUG, 240, 249, MK46, G3, FN FAL. I’m forgetting some. We had over 20 flip so far, waiting for the 53’s to flip then it’ll be over 40. Are you implying more are to come? I thought my MP5's would change, but they haven't, I assumed the 4000 or so making the jump would all take place at once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshNC Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 (edited) 12 hours ago, Got Uzi said: SEC handles insider trading and investment issues-machine guns are now considered investments and a commodity which falls under the SEC jurisdiction…yeah I know my stuff too. Machine guns being sold as “investment grade” and even the article in the WSJ from Frank G stated MG’s are sound investments. If someone really wanted to push things, it’s not that much of a stretch boys and girls. Insider trading laws only apply to publicly traded companies. In real estate development and other business ventures, insider knowledge is the guiding principle of investing, as it should be. Investing without inside knowledge is on the spectrum of gambling or hoping. The SEC would no more have anything to do with MGs than it would a private real estate deal. Edited May 11 by JoshNC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damcv62 Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 2 hours ago, Bill in Bama said: Are you implying more are to come? I thought my MP5's would change, but they haven't, I assumed the 4000 or so making the jump would all take place at once. That’s why I keep saying the Ian video was bad. Half truths and run with it. Don’t trust YouTubers. It’s not like atf just pushed a button and magically they all flipped. Think about it. They have to manually check each gun, all the way back to the first form it was registered with. They are working on it, and it’s an on going process. Who knows when it will be done. I’ve seen stuff change weekly over the last 3-4 months that supports my take. But it’s worth what you paid for it, YMMV. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill in Bama Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 51 minutes ago, damcv62 said: That’s why I keep saying the Ian video was bad. Half truths and run with it. Don’t trust YouTubers. It’s not like atf just pushed a button and magically they all flipped. Think about it. They have to manually check each gun, all the way back to the first form it was registered with. They are working on it, and it’s an on going process. Who knows when it will be done. I’ve seen stuff change weekly over the last 3-4 months that supports my take. But it’s worth what you paid for it, YMMV. OK, probably right, but who knows what is going on within ATF? I do keep checking my inventory, creating mock Form 4 transfers to see what, if anything, has changed among my stock. Maybe there's still hope. Of course, as has been stated here several times, what the right hand giveth, the left can just as easily take away. I don't have immediate plans to sell any of my pre-samples anyway, but if they still show as changed to trans guns in 6-12 months, then I think I can fairly safely assume they are in the latter classification for good, or until..... As has also been stated at least once on this thread, what is most unbelievable to me about this whole thing is that it is happening in the midst of a very anti-gun administration. You just can't make this stuff up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill in Bama Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 Hey! I resemble that remark! At least the boomer part, nobody can control that( not even Biden!). As for profiting, well, maybe. However I've owned some my miracle guns for decades now, with no expectation of making much more than a price that would keep up with inflation. If I can now reap a little boost, it will only offset my bloodbath in crypto a couple of years ago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riflejunky Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 2 hours ago, Thumpy said: If you all would of fought harder 50 years ago they would corrected this then Exactly how do you think that would have been possible? William Hughes amendment was stuck in at the last minute and Wayne LaPierre was more than happy to take the other wins while throwing machine gun guys under the bus. Curious how you would have handled this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumpy Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 50 minutes ago, riflejunky said: Exactly how do you think that would have been possible? William Hughes amendment was stuck in at the last minute and Wayne LaPierre was more than happy to take the other wins while throwing machine gun guys under the bus. Curious how you would have handled this situation. In this situation you could of done what just happened but 50 years ago… adding the wrongfully labeled pre samples to transferable list but you all didn’t… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riflejunky Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, Thumpy said: In this situation you could of done what just happened but 50 years ago… adding the wrongfully labeled pre samples to transferable list but you all didn’t… How exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumpy Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 5 minutes ago, riflejunky said: How exactly? By getting groups/lawyers together like they just did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riflejunky Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, Thumpy said: By getting groups/lawyers together like they just did So you are saying that a group should have pursued something that no one was aware of 50 years ago because the Atf made a judgement you just found out about? Were you working on this judgement that just reclassified the guns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 19 hours ago, Thumpy said: Lol I’ve seen these boomers drive the prices up lol prices will never come down they have their investments to protect… only thing we are about to see is these old dudes profit heavy Not sure they told you this, but MG's are not like the participation trophies they gave you in school? Boomers don't just hand out MG's to everyone? I can however send you a forum participation trophy if you can swing the 19.95 S&H? I can make it gender neutral if you want and engraved "entitled", since your generation is a little confused on several fronts? 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 (edited) I own 5 Presamples. I know at least 3 were police guns. 3 days ago there were all samples still. Today I look and a ithaca m3a1 is now transferrable. A gun that I bought nos untouched. Yet it was a police gun oddly. So the atf is still in the process of switching them over Edited May 12 by huggytree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal_4 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 (edited) 11 hours ago, Chef said: Damn, you're a bitter little grasshopper, aren't you. Most of the older guys worked hard to earn enough money to buy the cool stuff. And we sacrificed the comforts and pleasures of today, so we could live better tomorrow. Maybe work a little harder, save a little more, (cut out the morning Starbucks, the vaping, and drive an older car, don't go on vacations, and so many other little things that all contribute to increasing your savings) and one day you too can have some cool toys to play with. And if you want to throw some blame around, maybe look at your own generation. I don't see you guys making things better. If anything, you are all making thing worse. Not blaming or pointing at any one here, but one can do all that as you have said, or at least work their ass off and have great savings ,me, and still have a spouse that will never let you spend that kind of money on a transferable. Now if the Hughes amend went away, then my wife’s leverage in this instance, goes away as well and I can buy and turn parts kits into original working conditions again, or at least maybe the transferable prices come down to what post samples sell for , a few thousand. Maybe this becomes a reality when Brandon Herrera gets to congress !!! Edited May 12 by Signal_4 Additional Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumpy Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 14 hours ago, Chef said: Damn, you're a bitter little grasshopper, aren't you. Most of the older guys worked hard to earn enough money to buy the cool stuff. And we sacrificed the comforts and pleasures of today, so we could live better tomorrow. Maybe work a little harder, save a little more, (cut out the morning Starbucks, the vaping, and drive an older car, don't go on vacations, and so many other little things that all contribute to increasing your savings) and one day you too can have some cool toys to play with. And if you want to throw some blame around, maybe look at your own generation. I don't see you guys making things better. If anything, you are all making thing worse. Not bitter at all your generation is the generation who has literally sold this country out in the name of more profits… kicking the can down the road for my generation to fix. My generation is/has been doing more to fight unconstitutional laws then yours ever dreamed of. I’m 27 I own 8 transferables so I definitely get working hard to get things. But what I said stands. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 12 hours ago, Signal_4 said: Not blaming or pointing at any one here, but one can do all that as you have said, or at least work their ass off and have great savings ,me, and still have a spouse that will never let you spend that kind of money on a transferable. Now if the Hughes amend went away, then my wife’s leverage in this instance, goes away as well and I can buy and turn parts kits into original working conditions again, or at least maybe the transferable prices come down to what post samples sell for , a few thousand. Maybe this becomes a reality when Brandon Herrera gets to congress !!! Honestly, I would rethink my spouse if she won't let you spend your money on what you want. Not only does my wife encourage me to buy whatever makes me happy, she won't even let me consider selling some transferables to fund a larger down payment on a house! She knows that some of them would be darn near impossible to replace later, and to just keep what I've got because a person can always earn more money, but they can't often find some of the more desirable MGs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Iannamico Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 (edited) The downside (for dealers) is far fewer "1/2 price" pre-May machine guns. I wonder if there was this much suspicion during the 1968 Amnesty? Edited May 13 by Frank Iannamico 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Zeek Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Frank Iannamico said: The downside (for dealers) is far fewer "1/2 price" pre-May machine guns. I wonder if there was this much suspicion during the 1968 Amnesty? I'm sure there was. Have been speaking with a client who is getting up there in years and has several transferables, all purchased in the early '80s. He talked about how his dad and grandpa had MG's that they refused to register in 1968 because they didn't trust the Federal government on these issues . . . and of course, the market value of those guns went to zero (no, I don't know what happened to them and haven't asked). Sometimes I wonder how many transferables there would be if more guys had stepped forward and registered the MG's they had back then. Edited May 13 by Uncle Zeek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill in Bama Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 5 hours ago, Chef said: Honestly, I would rethink my spouse if she won't let you spend your money on what you want. Not only does my wife encourage me to buy whatever makes me happy, she won't even let me consider selling some transferables to fund a larger down payment on a house! She knows that some of them would be darn near impossible to replace later, and to just keep what I've got because a person can always earn more money, but they can't often find some of the more desirable MGs. Wise wife! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Iannamico Posted Monday at 11:35 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 11:35 PM Has anyone seen anything specific about the preMays that are showing up as transferable VS those that are not? Importer marks or lack of etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted Monday at 11:52 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 11:52 PM Hi Frank, I'm not a FFL/SOT but chatting with a friend that that is and has some pre-samples. These have passed the "populate eform 4" test but do not have a letter specifically stating these are transferable: MP5SD - No importer marks other than the HK Virginia address F/S Uzi - Imported by Interarms (Sam) marked MP-40 - WWII uncut. No importer marks Glad to add to the confusion Enjoy, K2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted Tuesday at 07:20 AM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 07:20 AM 18 hours ago, Uncle Zeek said: I'm sure there was. Have been speaking with a client who is getting up there in years and has several transferables, all purchased in the early '80s. He talked about how his dad and grandpa had MG's that they refused to register in 1968 because they didn't trust the Federal government on these issues . . . and of course, the market value of those guns went to zero (no, I don't know what happened to them and haven't asked). Sometimes I wonder how many transferables there would be if more guys had stepped forward and registered the MG's they had back then. If there were another amnesty, I would hope the Govt would handle it a little differently than posting a flyer on the local post office! And keep the registration period open for a little longer than 30 days. I would speculate that a lot more people would have taken advantage if this amnesty if they would have known about it. Not everyone goes to the post office every month, and of those that do, not all of them bother to check out the bulletin board. And since the internet and forums weren't a thing back then, word didn't spread very fast, so I'm sure the registration period ended before most people even knew it existed. Even if they kept it open for 90 days, and sent out flyers to every FFL holder to post in their shop, there are still a good percentage of people who just don't trust the Govt and wouldn't register theirs anyway. I would suspect a similar number of people today wouldn't trust another amnesty and refuse to register theirs as well. The Govt of today is far less trustworthy than the Govt in '68. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Iannamico Posted Tuesday at 12:45 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:45 PM 12 hours ago, Frank Iannamico said: Has anyone seen anything specific about the preMays that are showing up as transferable VS those that are not? Importer marks or lack of etc. Mine all are original factory MGs PreMay now "transferable" H&R M14 no markings, MP5, 1972 dated, no markings, but the mag wall says "made in Germany exclusively for SACO" NESA BAR no markings original Israeli UZI no markings other than Action Arms Chinese Type 56 (stamped receiver) DLO marked on the barrel. Post May LIA1 now "transferable" Century Arms import on the barrel Pre May NON-transferable Savage 1928 Thompson SAC import marked, but also has PD markings KPD Swedish K no import marks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollard Street Pawn & Gun Posted Wednesday at 05:29 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 05:29 PM I'm an SOT with eforms set-up and I can view my inventory, electronically. Can someone tell me how you check your inventory that is currently listed as dealer samples to see if they are now transferable? I'm new to this process and could use your expertise. Happy to call someone if that helps - just direct me and I'll follow-up. Thank you!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill in Bama Posted Wednesday at 06:15 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 06:15 PM Sign on to your account, go to form 4 application like you are creating a transfer. Enter your info and click next. Next on the following page, then go to firearm tab, click add firearm or firearm list, I don't remember which it's called. Your inventory drops down, click the gun you're checking on and if you fet a green success message it's niw transferable. Otherwise you'll get an error message. Easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollard Street Pawn & Gun Posted Wednesday at 06:25 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 06:25 PM Awesome, thank you so much Bill in Bama! You rock!!! I'll update this post on what I find out. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syncytium1 Posted Wednesday at 06:41 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 06:41 PM 39 minutes ago, Pollard Street Pawn & Gun said: I'm an SOT with eforms set-up and I can view my inventory, electronically. Can someone tell me how you check your inventory that is currently listed as dealer samples to see if they are now transferable? I'm new to this process and could use your expertise. Happy to call someone if that helps - just direct me and I'll follow-up. Thank you!! You can make a Form 3. When you add an item from your inventory to it, transferables should have a white background, pre-samples orange, posties red. People are also making Form 4s and checking to see if an inventory item can be added or not. If it can be added, they are assuming it is transferable. I cannot say for sure how accurate either method is when trying to anticipate what guns the ATF will ultimately determine are transferable or not, but that it what people seem to be doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Iannamico Posted Wednesday at 09:08 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 09:08 PM 3 hours ago, Pollard Street Pawn & Gun said: I'm an SOT with eforms set-up and I can view my inventory, electronically. Can someone tell me how you check your inventory that is currently listed as dealer samples to see if they are now transferable? I'm new to this process and could use your expertise. Happy to call someone if that helps - just direct me and I'll follow-up. Thank you!! Or...After you bring your inventory up look to the far right under the RESTRICTIONS column, if the gun in question is now "transferable" the restrictions column will be blank. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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