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I own a bunch of Uzis and Mac variants. I always take an Uzi along with me to the range and rarely take a Mac. So there's that. Real life experience. I don't crap on either about quality and all that jazz. Look....what you are buying is the stamp of legality. Both guns have only a few hundred bucks of design/metal in them, etc. They are both stamped and were produced cheap. Both have their own storied history too. I'd say THE decision point IS: do you intend and want to shoot different cals- specifically rifle cal like 223 in it? If cal change ability is valuable to you then get the Mac and feel good about it. IF however you plan to shoot only 9mm ...then get the Uzi. Long ago I was BIG into cal changes/options on various mgs...and over the years I found that I just really best enjoy shooting the mg in the cal. it was originally designed for. Screw cal conversions basically. But if you have a tight budget, don't plan on buying more mgs, and want various cals....then get the Mac for flexibility. There. It's that simple as I see it. Cal changes or Not?

I have a couple mgs with this listed as the manuf.

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We’ll agree to disagree. I’m sure .gov could find 20 laws you’ve broken in the last week if they desired …from 922(r) to xyz. And they certainly could add enough pressure on you to admit to any lesser charge, etc etc. ( but yeah …with the one and only side about this I’ve seen…it certainly does appear that Vickers flew too close to the sun and messed up badly. Agree ! But aiding and abetting the enemy arguments are a bunch of BS…other than in some contorted legal construct- which is exactly what we are dealing w here. )

We’ll agree to disagree. I’m sure .gov could find 20 laws you’ve broken in the last week if they desired …from 922(r) to xyz. And they certainly could add enough pressure on you to admit to any lesser charge, etc etc. ( but yeah …with the one and only side about this I’ve seen…it certainly does appear that Vickers flew too close to the sun and messed up badly. Agree ! But aiding and abetting the enemy arguments are a bunch of BS…other than in some contorted legal construct- which is exactly what we are dealing w here. )

You said “ Hard to fathom when someone takes an oath and paycheck to protect and defend the United States, then gets in bed with the enemy.“ so …do you or do you not feel “ he’s in bed w the enemy “ and what exactly do you mean by that ? To me you stated and implied that vickers has sold out his country somehow. I bet the real reason is that you just don’t like him but that’s speculation. Most of us here prob believe he was leaned on heavily in some plea deal …which may or may not have reflected underlying reality of whatever downgraded charge he ultimately confessed to. Thats just the way they do it.

^^^ OK Mark2....that's a bit over the top....stating or implying that Vickers is somehow an agent or mole of Russia or that he's " in bed w the enemy".

Mr BIG KOCH has items listed for sale in the semi forum right now I believe. I doubt he'd want to shed light on this series of unfortunate events that got kicked off ...supposedly by contents on his seized phone. I wish all involved the best. ************************************************************************* Mr_Big_Koch It was a single gun sold online by an Arizona man with the username “Mr_Big_Koch” that played a vital role in cracking the case. Christopher Fiorentino dabbled in bitcoin, real estate and firearms made by the German company Heckler & Koch , hence his username on an online gun marketplace. He lived in a wealthy Phoenix suburb, and owned an Aston Martin and a Mercedes-Benz G wagon. Investigators at the ATF grew suspicious when a dealer in Florida reported that a gun it had purchased from Fiorentino appeared to be a highly regulated short-barreled rifle. They discovered that Mr_Big_Koch was selling a lot of guns and didn’t have a dealer’s license, prosecutors allege. When ATF agents raided the condo Fiorentino shared with his fiancée, they found more than 60 guns, including four short-barreled rifles that he hadn’t registered with the federal government, prosecutors allege. They also discovered that he had a Heckler & Koch machine gun that wasn’t registered. But it was his phone that revealed a much broader web. There were WhatsApp messages between Fiorentino and a former Homeland Security analyst named Sean Reidpath Sullivan who had a side business importing guns from Europe. Prosecutors alleged that Fiorentino was buying imported guns through an alleged black-market network that Sullivan and Vickers had developed. Fiorentino has pleaded not guilty to several charges, including possession of the unregistered guns, dealing without a license and pandemic unemployment-assistance fraud. “Any transactions that he engaged in were through federally licensed dealers and anything they’re alleged to have been doing he was not aware of or involved in,” said Brian Russo, Fiorentino’s lawyer. Sullivan also pleaded not guilty to illegal-gun-importation charges in September. “We look forward to resolving in court the allegations that he unlawfully imported machine guns as part of his business,” said Jim Wyda, an attorney for Sullivan. “There is no evidence that Mr. Sullivan intended for firearms to get into the hands of dangerous people. And they didn’t.”

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Shoot me a PM if you know him. Just doing basic due diligence here is all. Thanks Houston

I have a Mac 10 NIB I'm willing to trade to you for your Uzi. I'll add cash of course to make it fair market value. See private message.

db1234...if you happen to have stand up mount for that M2HB that you plan to sell....ping me as I might be interested depending on price.

will snap a pic next time i get it out.

excellent material once again.

Airtags and Chipolo ( another similar device) are extremely useful. Great idea to use them on expensive shipments. To date I've used them in all my airline travel bags, cars, backpack, and even one as a card resides in my wallet. I haven't chipped or Airtag'd my wife ....yet.....

very cool. I just looked up my M60 trunion .... vintage baby! 1957-1962 shop one.

excellent. m10/45 was my 2cd mg purchase way back...$3000 if i recall. I ended up putting a Lage upper on it. Great gun. You'll enjoy yours too I'm sure.

I agree. I miss the Buddy enforced listing criteria...you know back in the day when you could quickly scan a for sale list and see pretty much ALL pertinent features about the gun - including PRICE in the ad header alone. And boy if you missed a comma or screwed up the format Buddy would rain hell down upon you publicly. It was awesome and funny and very effective. Sheeesh...I still have nightmares all these yrs later about mis -formatting my WTS ad. hahahaha. Seriously though... removing the last list price of an item after a completed sale is poor form IMO. Sure I guess it's the sellers "right" to do whatever they wish to some degree...but it's pretty clear the ONLY reason you'd go obscure that after the fact is prevent current sales listing/buy data from other market participants so that somehow you can maintain your edge as you see it. I bet this is an exclusively dealer tactic. I personally do not like it- for anyone, dealer or not. While it's certainly NOT my site and I'm just a average Joe 6 pack here....I view you leaving that data intact as the price you pay to the community at large here for being able to list your item in the first place...yeah...even if you have a paid subscription. That's just a nominal amount of money for most sellers...esp when mgs sell for $10k-$100k.

^ I disagree strongly with all this. Real M16 or converted AR15 for a 21 yr old---they won't care ...and the huge grin after a mag dump will be exactly the same. They won't give one rip whether it's a A1 or A2 or a conversion or govt marked or anything else. Nobody I take shooting gives one rip whether its a hk clone or a factory hk...as long as it has a properly functioning legal sear in it. With all these MGs you are buying the paperwork/legality. The actual physical guns/metal is worth oh...a few hundred bucks maybe. You need to decide whether you are primarily a 1. Shooter. You intend to shoot the gun a lot. Have fun at the range etc with it. Actually shoot it a lot. OR 2. You are a collector. It will be a safe queen and will rarely come out and you'll baby it. It's more of an investment and something to pass down to kids etc etc. It has provenance etc. If you are a shooter (primarily) then just get what actually performs. Get the SP1 (regardless of take down pin size. It's no big deal). Brand doesn't matter. Condition of the gun does. For $25k you def. can get a AR15 conversion gun and that would be a GREAT gun for any shooter-grade collection. Seriously. They are legos , plug n play. Tons of options. And yes it will shoot perfectly fine- It's hard to screw up a AR15 receiver. Most anything can be fixed regardless. Parts are cheap. I highly rec' this option if you can afford it. On the other hand $25k is a lot of $$ and is a big jump into mg land. If your budget is just under $20k then I rec' an Uzi full size. If your budget is more in the sub $15k then I rec a Mac for sure. Any mac really...but esp the M11/9. It's the most common and has the most add on options. You'll want a Lage upper for it ( $1-$3k) in both pistol cal and the rifle caliber too. If you are more of a collector like Chef above then sure...go buy a M16A2 for $40k and put it in your safe and pull it out with white gloves on to show friends at your dinner party. That's fine as well. You are in collector world. Much much more expensive and snobby...and you'll delve into the specific provenance of the guns and you have a LOT to learn. This is NOT the path most people start on but it is what old former shooters tend to migrate to when they ....stop shooting so much and instead just collect mgs and talk about how fancy theirs are, etc etc. All fine.

oh...you can cross out a MP40 and def cross out a PPSH41 .....in the $15k budget. Just move along bc that aint happening.

Hurricane, UT ( pronounced properly !)- awesome. You are in God's country there. I spend 1 week /year x 20 yrs in nearby LaVerkin ( for zion canyoneering). Was out there just last month and if I had known I would have gladly stopped by for a machine gun chat. Anyhoo.... $15k budget. Your best option IMO is a M11/9 with some spare money left over for accessories like a Lage, ammo, spare parts, etc. Other mac versions are reasonable as well...M10/45 etc if that's your style. If you want to stretch a bit...then an Uzi at the $17k'ish price range is a great choice. $15k isn't enough for the M16/AR15 which would also be an excellent choice to enter mg land. As far as how to buy one and where....This board here is prob your best bet. If this is your 1st mg purchase then I'd highly rec' hooking up with knowledgeable mg owning friend who can assist you in your hunt , purchase, and transfer process. If you have none ...then buying thru a dealer is prob best for you albeit a bit (20%) more expensive than buying directly from an individual. I buy from both. I personally am NOT a fan of g u n brooker auction style avenues. A few guns may be posted on snugbus but sturm here has a more active market. I'd pass on Morphys bc of your budget and the atrocious buyers premiums that add up to 20%+. The Mac family is the clear choice for a 1st time buyer with your stated budget. The M11/9 is the most desired and versatile of the mac family.

Yes. I do. I PM’d you. will do again. thx

f'ing A that's the truth ! awesome and accurate

I'll take 3 of them. PM'ing you now.

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