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An approved Form 4 obviates the need for a 5320.20.

An integral suppressor noticeably speeds up the GG, chuga chuga chuga turns into clackclackclack...

I don't use shipper insurance and I don't recommend relying on it. Get your own insurance for your collection and make sure it covers incoming and outgoing shipping. I use FedEx 2 day to ship MGs and USPS Priority to ship anything else, that said everything has been slow but eventually arrived during this last couple weeks of national shipping issues.

Only if you have property in WI that you occasionally live at. Note that WI requires a letter from a Sheriff to buy a pistol caliber MG (though in practice I've seen the ATF reject rifle caliber MGs without the letter as well). ETA, you could also have a friend or relative in WI and a Trust set up in WI that owns the MG.

Still available.

Been listening to him since 90 and a charter subscriber to the Limbaugh Letter... I remember when I told my mom I was listening to him back then, she started asking all of her friends if he was safe and no one knew anything about him. She ended up one of his biggest fans. He leaves a huge hole in the conservative movement that likely will never be filled.

Beauty of a F4 to SOT is only the 1st page needs to be filled out and no signature or pics and prints are required from the SOT so you can fill everything out, put a check in the envelope and mail it off without waiting for any of that other stuff.

Form 2 is just a notification of manufacture not an application for permission to manufacture so who cares how long it takes.

A couple of pics for the people who asked.

Nope, pick one for the "initial build" and list it. It doesn't make one bit of difference if he runs any and all other calibers on it in the future.

Sold is a very nice Pre-sample Guide Lamp US marked M3A1 Grease Gun, excellent function. Pics on request, price is $12k. Sold I have an AWC MK9OSS 45ACP integral barrel Grease Gun suppressor available for $1500 to the buyer. Will only offer for separate sale after Grease Gun sells. Both in my online inventory available for immediate eForm F3 transfer. Shipping at actual cost or on your tag.

Technically if the transfer never took place you and the other SOT have committed perjury by filing a F3 back to you on a gun you still had possession of. That's why they have the cancellation instructions spelled out in the Form. You can both pretend the transfer took place and log it out and back in but you're now compounding your illegality.

Nope, there is no "submachine gun" firearms type, machine gun is the correct type for any full auto firearm or conversion device. Previously, forms were approved with incorrect descriptions, calibers and other issues that are now more closely scrutinized for accuracy. These are the definitions that matter for NFA: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5845

From the Form 3 Instructions. Cancellation of Approved Application. The transferor may cancel an approved application only if the physical transfer of the firearm has not been completed. The transferor must return the approved application with a written request for cancellation, citing the need and that the physical transfer of the firearm did not take place. nfafax@atf.gov

Yes, if you call the ATF they'll tell you to file a tax free Form 5, check Other and note add to online inventory. I have also had luck sending an Ask the Experts question in eForms and then emailing the respondent my F4, YMMV on that.

Yep, thank goodness! They actually price their inventory to sell.

GTG. I've had many transactions with Frank, Mike and Chris and have always been satisfied. They're easy to work with and stand behind their sales with a return or repair if you do have any issues.

It's up, it's just getting hammered with new users. They've been adding over 500,000 new users a day since "the troubles".

C&R or tube, some tube guns can have different specs that may cause issues, also have you changed out your recoil spring? I've never had any issues running any S&B, Am Eagle, Blazer, PMC or WWB 124gr through any of my MGs, Sten included.

How does an FFL forget to renew their license? I'd bet an audit of their log books would be a real peach as well.

So to clarify, the business entity was sold but likely remains the same however the ATF does require a new FFL be applied for by the new owners even though the entity (and likely the EIN) remain the same. Any and all NFA items on the books of the previous FFL should have been transferred before the FFL expired but if not then they should all transfer tax free to the new FFL books the same as when I was issued a "new" FFL when I moved to a new state. I'd call the NFA dept and ask for an expert to help but I'd think submitting a F5 requesting an update of the item to the online inventory of the new FFL might resolve the issue. If they can't get it resolved expeditiously then, at the very least, instead of F4ing it into their new FFL books your dealer should just F4 it to the GA dealer. I'd also assume your dealer is paying for this extra $200 tax out of their pocket since it's solely due to their ownership fuck up.

Off topic, but what other info did they request that wasn't already on the form?

Assuming it's a pre-sample? Ask Tony but for me, various stampings on a firearm don't make a penny of difference when Im buying.

So from what I understand from reading this somewhat confusing thread is that the OPs FFL had changed hands (was sold) between when he filed his form 4 and when it was approved and the new owner still took possession of the MG. Now since the old FFL is no longer valid the local dealer needs to Form 4 it from his old license to his new license? I assume this because if the original dealer's business would have changed hands after he obtained possession of the MG he would have had plenty of time to transfer it out on a eForm 3 (which takes no longer than 7 days) to the GA dealer. The part that's confusing is that if the FFL changed due to ownership change then did the business entity (Corp/LLC/etc) change as well? If it did then the new FFL owner illegally transferred the MG when he took possession of it on the previously approved Form 4, if the entity didn't change but the FFL did, then the new owner should be able to have the item added to their new FFL eform account by the ATF upon request as it's owned and already registered by the entity who is licensed under the new FFL/SOT. Unfortunately, if you'd have known of the ownership change prior to physically transferring it to them, you could have just cancelled the existing approved Form 4 and started a new F4 either to the new local FFL or straight to the GA dealer. PS. Im an FFL/SOT and if you are selling the MG personally then I'd recommend that you always transfer it to the buyer's FFL/SOT directly. If the buyer's dealer won't take it directly from you on a Form 4 then tell the buyer to get a new dealer who will or get a new buyer. Transferring it to a local FFL first just adds another point of failure into the system. PPS. The OPs current wait of 2 months is fairly accurate for the Form 4 to his new FFL. My last incoming F4 just took under 8 weeks.

Nope only a manufacturer or importer FFL.