dw1 Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 Good morning all, I need advice. I have an old machine guns (total current market value ~$60,000.00) in need of repairs, wanting to ship to Mr. Andrewski. I was advised by UPS and FedEx mid level managers, that they will not ship. If I ship via these carriers, its against the new law; further more, if found it is confiscated. In addition, if lost its not insurable. What is recommended and how to insure it for send/return trip. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pstidan Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 USPS Registered and Insured. Have a local FFL take it to the Post Office with you. Have him do the shipping and you reimburse him for the postage and his service. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 (edited) Hi dw1, If the MG's have a 16" or better barrel length, USPS regulations allow you to ship to an FFL (even if you don't have an FFL). It appears that USPS cares if it is "concealable" or "non-concealable". This is per 431.4 Rifles and Shotguns from their definitions. I commonly use USPS Registered and Insured. Some MG's are easy to fit with a long barrel (M16, Uzi, Sten, K, M31) as they commonly have long barrels available). I don't ship the short barrel with the firearm. Just the 16"+ barrel. IMHO, USPS is about the last of the shippers non-ffl's can ship with if the firearm has at 16"+ barrel, OAL > 26". pstidan mentioned the only way I know to get them back - thru an FFL. Just what I've found. There may be other options I'm not familiar with. Enjoy, Grasshopper ps. UPS - Strict prohibition on shipping MG's. Fedex say no unless both parties have an FFL. This is clearly stated on their web site. Edited July 29, 2023 by Grasshopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pa123guns Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 USPS register mail for all transferables in my opinion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauerdb Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 USPS Registered Priority Mail only. Insurable to $50k each package. If you need $60k you will need to pack separately. Water Activated Reinforced Packing Tape on all seams of the box is required. Example here Staples Standard Grade Water Activated Reinforced Packing Tape, 2.8" x 375', Brown Kraft (468231-CC) | Staples If you have an option, try to go to a larger post office. They should have the larger registered mail secure bags to fit rifle boxes. It is very simple, they don't ask you what is inside, and they take these high value packages very seriously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorwso Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 23 hours ago, pstidan said: USPS Registered and Insured. Have a local FFL take it to the Post Office with you. Have him do the shipping and you reimburse him for the postage and his service. this is how I will only ship now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dw1 Posted July 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 thank you all great knowledgable community!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrh Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 You may want to check someone like Collectors Insurance. Your policy can cover shipping in addition to your collection at home/travel. I understand they are much easier to deal with if there is a lost or damaged firearm. You will be dealing with USPS for months+++. I understand this is how John A insures work he ships back, but he uses FedEx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JECIII Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 Fedex doesn't allow machineguns as per thier new contracts. Even if both have ffl. Full auto to military and le only now. Total bullshit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill in Bama Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 Piling on, yes, USPS REgistered mail is the only way to safely ship firearms and particularly NFA weapons. I get lots of guns via FedEx and UPS but I don't use them for shipping out any firearm anymore since the likelihood of them paying for a claim are slim and none. Communist/ democrats (same thing, right?) are anti-gun and that's my take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrlandmd Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) Agree with all of the above. USPS Registered, insured mail is the safest and only way I have ever shipped my transferables ! Edited August 15, 2023 by Mrlandmd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 On 7/29/2023 at 7:08 AM, dw1 said: Good morning all, I need advice. I have an old machine guns (total current market value ~$60,000.00) in need of repairs, wanting to ship to Mr. Andrewski. I was advised by UPS and FedEx mid level managers, that they will not ship. If I ship via these carriers, its against the new law; further more, if found it is confiscated. In addition, if lost its not insurable. What is recommended and how to insure it for send/return trip. Thank you You wrote "if found it is confiscated." I wonder what the legality of that regulation is. What right does UPS or FedEx have to confiscate a legal, registered NFA item? If they did confiscate one, they would be in illegal possession of it since it's no longer under the umbrella of being legally transported. But how does one prosecute a business? How does LE arrest and book an entity? And who gave parcel carriers the legal right to confiscate anything? Furthermore, if they did confiscate a MG, what happens to that MG next? Logically, they should notify the AFT. But I would think the "duty" of the AFT upon coming into possession of a legally registered item, would be to notify the registered owner and return it to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
United Surplus Arms Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 Chef is correct. It's like when UPS or Fedex discovers (illegal) drugs in a shipment. They notify LE - who has the authority to confiscate them, and investigate any crimes. In the case of a NFA item, the investigation would result in the return of that item to the lawful owner. That said, maybe not worth the risk, when the USPS is a viable alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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