jjrphs Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 Just wanted to post a data point on my Form 4 to a Dealer which was just kicked back. ATF's current Form 4 .pdf is editable and the platform I use for the few transfers I do. I recently (well, back in August) sold an item to an out of state individual. In filling out ATF's editable Form 4, I used the electronic signature function embedded in the form, just as I had on a couple other past transfers. Much to my surprise, I receive both copies of the Form 4 back with an error letter stating the forms had not been signed. I finally get the examiner on the phone and explain to her the electronic signature function is an option in ATF's own editable .pdf form, and that my two previous transfers with electronic signatures went through fine. No dice says my she-examiner. Apparently and according to her, electronic signatures are only accepted on eForms and it must be a facsimile of the transferor's real signature. Not a digital block-letter signature stamp. So, if you're using the ATF's editable Form 4 .pdf, you run the risk of having your form kicked back if you don't put an ink signature on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmeisser Guy Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 How long did it take for them to reject your Form 4??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjrphs Posted December 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 40 minutes ago, Schmeisser Guy said: How long did it take for them to reject your Form 4??? A few days over 4 months. I was not happy, but the examiner assured me the transfer would be approved upon their return, so there is that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorwso Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 1 hour ago, jjrphs said: A few days over 4 months. I was not happy, but the examiner assured me the transfer would be approved upon their return, so there is that. I found out they they do not allow the digitally signed documents, but they will take a shit digital scan of a scribbled signature emailed to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryo Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 I heard about them not allowing digital signatures.. but they take faxes for response to corrections on Form 4s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_san Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) You can create your real sig (like you would with a pen) and save it to Adobe to use in PDFs. Edited December 15, 2021 by b_san Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorwso Posted December 16, 2021 Report Share Posted December 16, 2021 17 hours ago, Ryo said: I heard about them not allowing digital signatures.. but they take faxes for response to corrections on Form 4s? Yes/no I had two clients that had the same space missing in their address (same address 2 different forms) that made two words into one. One was sent back for pen ink change/ other was email. who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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