mike todd

FOX, I don't deal with ANY of the big volume sellers BUT obviously many do. we just don't speak the same LINGO or feel the same about these things. SHOOTERS are where you find them. watch the offer's and LEARN whats a deal when you find it. JJX is absolutely right about the REISING . its one of my favs and another I wont do without. parts can be a little tough and mags are expensive, but the shooting experience is very close. I like the 45's downrange impact. if considering a REISING the cost is low enough, you can still be PICKY and get a NICE ONE. it might be best to avoid a worn out /refinished example unless the cost makes sense. 45 reloads are EASY/ CHEAP. the CARBINE will be much easier to have spares / get mags but ammo will be apprx 30% higher . maybe WATCH THEM BOTH AND GRAB THE FIRST DEAL TO SURFACE? don't get in too much of a rush.

BILL you don't show the feed for this, but from the looks it takes the rotary drum with several vertical stacks parallel with the bore. IE; model 1874 one of these JUST SOLD AT MORPHY's and the TOTAL with premium was $8400.00 spare drums are at least $400 in value so add if more than one. cheers MIKE TODD

LESS THAN $300 U.S. plus ship fantastic design, needs to be steel at the legs for me and extra cost well worth the extra life. I am TIRED of all this ALUM JUNK. when the anodizing is gone its straight downhill from there!

GREAT GUN AND A GREAT FIND! when seeking THOMPSON VARIATIONS, its NOT ALWAYS the MONEY. ALMOST ALL OF THESE WERE CONVERTED TO THE M1A1 and hand stamped A1. this was my hardest to pin down of them ALL. and ORIGINAL FINISH ON TOP OF IT ALL. (sigh)

THUMPY, your receiver plug has "stops" or its perimeter is "knurled" for a plunger or detent. with no recoil spring present turn the plug in and out and you should feel "CLICS" as it engages the detent. if not either the spring is worn or dirty OR the detent has rounded too much over the years. clean it all up/ maybe stretch the spring that should help. if not, attempt to "SHARPEN" the detent with a stone. you can test your efect by turning the plug with out the spring until you feel results. IF ALL ELSE FAILS, THANK YOUR LUCKY STARS YOU WERE SO POLITE ANSWEREING MY POSTS AND I WILL DIG YOU OUT A SET! MIKE

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ALEX, a 28 by a huge margin would be my first choice. when considering what's out there, I detest ANYTHING that has been defaced by removing or adding any markings OTHER THAN PROFESSIONALLY APPLIED AGENCY MARKS. IE; U.S. or A1 etc. OR BLASTED WITH BOULDER'S to refinish. no matter the "STORY" or "EXCUSE" I would prefer a reweld to any of that, simply because you will be confronted by BAD CURB APPEAL each time you get it out, and that will bring you most of the joy of guardianship. ALL THOMPSONS are now C+R's no matter who or when it was made and there is NOTHING wrong with the WEST HURLEY GUNS with MILITARY PARTS and a great deal is possible in todays market. AVOID ALL NEW DRUMS LIKE THE PLAGUE, the springs WILL break when you wind them often the first time, and few MFG'rs will repair them. the WW II drums are just fine with "Bridgeport" at the top in quality. they will have a "U" stamped in the drip plate dead center bottom. its even possible to have an extra set of parts for the higher rate of fire . when shopping for military parts, CHECK ALL SOURCES ! there are MAJOR price variations. as you wanted the "cons" also, there are few of those in the THOMPSON choices. original M-1 's are RARE and have always been expensive, it lacks the same features as the more often seen M1A1 when compared to the 28's the MAIN diff? NO DRUMS and the stock is fixed. side cock instead of the top and bolts cost more, getting harder to find alone. that's about it. should you want to know anything more, feel free to contact me any time ! mike

THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP ! his orig post made SEMI so obvious that when I looked at the 15/18k poss value, my forehead had so much pressure I came close to passing out. I know this adaptation well and it involves some very small parts for the reset that must be perfectly clean to function. several were sold not completed at various trade events over the years for as little as $3k as described but that was long ago. they show up on GB and usual asking start is $6.5k /$7.5k . the last one I KNOW sold was at $5k in 2015 which was a good deal. that buyer contacted me for parts. a dummy with mount is $3- $3.5k and at least these can get some use so certainly worth more

DOC as always, it all boils down to how they word the law when its passed. most likely it will only effect semi auto versions and wont effect any MG's registered in another category. if the ban includes magazine capacity, IT WILL EFFECT THE MG.s unless someone manages to get them to add a specific exception (good luck with that) I have a close friend in CONNECTICUT with several FULL ONLY MG's and SEMI ASSAULT rifles registered at the state level. when they passed the last variation of their ASWB, it included ALL magazines AND feeding DEVICES over 10 rounds must be registered with the state. NO EXEPTION was added for registered weapons of ANY class. he filed registration for more than 1000 examples. that law is several years old and they never specified HOW they were to be marked and ID'd. he has written SEVERAL letters to ALL agency's including enforcement and NOBODY KNOW's or seems to care? he hired an attorney and asked about filing a law suit and was refused. he asked the NRA for possible relief and they claimed "too many much more important issue's in front" the ONLY thing he has managed to get in WRITING is "no belt or drum may be possessed or transported loaded with more than 10 rounds, EXCEPT at a recognized shooting facility" so he now owns 1000+ unmarked, not identified, registered feeding devices he cant "preload" at home to go shooting. EVERYTHING must be down to 10 rounds when he leaves the range. SO MY FRIEND, THINGS COULD AND MOST LIKELY WILL TAKE A TURN FOR THE WORST. and sadly its only the beginning. I doubt if there is even a safe place to run, but some states might resist it for a while, then you only need to worry about NOV 2020 when they take control.

ALEX, both are good choices and will be fun, I got started WAY back when with the THOMPSON because of the history attached. shooting them is ok but they give me 10 times more satisfaction just handling them and thinking. I often take them apart "just because" its all part of the deal. for me, NOTHING on the planet comes close to pulling back the bolt on a COLT THOMPSON and that feel. one of my savage 28's is close after I cratexed and ARMALLOYED all the parts so it need not be ONLY a COLT. I also own several AK's and they certainly have their place in history. I believe its the highest production weapon ever by a huge margin. I have owned a "KRINK" but it didn't last long. its a fantastic hip level hose, but not comfortable at the shoulder at all. my favorite is a wood stock with the folding bayo due to shooting comfort and when I close my eye's and think AK that's what I see. I feel the first example of a weapon in my collection should adhere to its roots and maintain the LOOK and purpose it is best known for. If more than one then the sky's the limit. I have both the wood and folding stock in .30cal milled and a stamped wood stocked AK-74 all NFA. that folding metal stock is not one you will enjoy using much. in any case I suggest you avoid anything in .223. there are too many early conversions out there that are over gassed and broken bolts were common. they have corrected that with all the new stuff and many older conversions have been updated. if you can confirm that with confidence then it would be just fine. HISTORICALLY IMPORTANT, IN THE FUTURE I believe the most commonly known firearms overall will be in order; THE AK ,THE THOMPSON, THE UZI, THE M-16 in that order, because of distribution and use / movie's and publications. even today most people of all classes asked would name them most likely in that order. that cant hurt your investment either. when shopping, don't forget the major auction houses ! most have at least 3 major "premier" auctions a year and at least 2 minor sales. there has been plenty of AK's at most . the premier auctions are in the spring / fall one co in DEC. the other sales split up the year. the lots are posted on the internet with plenty of time to choose and email questions. the major players are MORPHY's, ROCK ISLAND and POULINS all with positives and negatives that you can work with BUT YOU MUST DO YOUR HOMEWORK ! and some fantastic deals ARE possible . in any case enjoy! mike

I JUST NOTICED THE THREAD JUMPED TO AR-10's concerning serial placement. I was very active at FAIRCHILD when they were doing the AR-10's and had the pleasure of meeting MR STONER o few times. numbering uppers at FAIRCHILD was common and when you think about things before any rulings LOGICAL. how can you have a firearm without a barrel? or a place for the bolt? those thoughts carried well into the ARMALITE 18 days and uppers were serialized. the first time I noticed a lower numbered was after 180 semi's started shipping. since then I have not been able to get anything in writing concerning 18 uppers without submitting a sample.

ALEX it sounds like you need to decide if its another sub gun , assault rifle or mounted gun . you made some wise choices at the start and with the limited places to shoot the sub guns offer the most use. when cornered on this subject by someone new I usually suggest ONE of each category then let the collection take its natural path. most start with a subgun and many stay there and just add variations. I cant recall a better time to buy a VICKERS or BROWNING WATER COOLED than today. prices are so close together it just makes sense to me. you already have my first choice with the UZI , BUT I find the MAC .45 with a can much more FUN and will never be without one. NOT 9mm ! NO WAY WOULD I SUGGEST YOU GET CAUGHT UP IN THAT MAG PROBLEM I also agree with Schmeisser Guy about the Italians and a pistol cal shoulder fired MG is a joy . which brings up another of my favorites the REISING MOD-50. tough to beat for the price and service. so if you don't mind adding .45. I would consider it. I use .45 in my sub guns if possible, it started with the THOMPSON and after I bought all 3 MACS with cans, .45 was the winner hands down I like the down range effect of the heavier bullet and try to convert everything to use it when possible. nothing wrong with the WEST HURLEY 28's with GI parts and many examples just sold for less than $15k a real surprise to me and you wont see those levels much longer.

BRMC, as always, I found your comments a welcome addition and we almost always agree in concept. I am an ignorant uneducated dinosaur with few language skills and even worse typing ability. my goal in this case was to show an option few might have been aware of, certainly not attempt to explain ALL the functions of ALL the various FFL's available. I wanted to provide information concerning the movement of C+R NFA items in possession my failure to mention NEW C+R purchases and possession was due to it being so obvious I thought it a waste of time. I don't know if BOBS interpretation concerning modern arms OR transactions between other than C+R FFL holders is correct or not. AGAIN I wanted to point out the benefits of a C+R ONLY. other FFL's and possible limitations were included only to support those benefits. several of the OLD SCHOOL guys from my past had them in addition to the various FFL's and I often wondered why. I had assumed the next step up, allowed everything those below offered plus other activity, but was told C+R's were an exception and completely different books were kept etc.

PRESTON, there should be plenty folks out there that can take care of the problem. I feel welding is not the best method, I have heard both good and bad. CONSIDER another option for repair few attempt but makes more sense to me and will fix it forever. have them drill the holes out larger and create a step to take a steel insert that puts the hole back to spec. make the insert slightly oversize so it's almost a press fit in the step, then secure it all with the KNS ANTI ROTATE KIT. in my case we had longer pins made for it to allow for extra material in the inserts, but it can be done thinner and normal pins used. we also made a set of extra bushings for the future. I also used Loctite GREEN sleeve retainer . no refinish was needed either. just my 3 cents worth good luck either way mike todd

BRMC, the way BOB LANDIES (FFL-SOT) explained it to me, if he is attending an event out of his state, and has a C+R on display. ONLY a C+R HOLDER can purchase and take instant possession of it no other lic holder may. should any other license holder want to purchase it OR act as a receiving FFL holder for an unlicensed buyer the item must remain in the sellers possession until he returns to his home state then he can MAIL it to the receiving dealer again because all out of state deliveries he makes must be invoiced B-4 he leaves his state. FOR YEARS I have seen exactly the opposite openly occur at shows. FFL holder cruising the isles, finds something c+r or not, flashes a copy of FFL , settles and picks it up and walks off? OR an in state individual drags his in state dealer to the item who takes it and the individual completes 4473 and leaves. many have told me TECHNICALLY not LAWFULL but if not observed, undetectable in the "BOOKS" modern or C+R. add a C+R lic and no violation ? again no expert nor do I wish to be just passing on info as it was explained too me by a trusted long time dealer.

MONTANA'S response was RIGHT ON TRACK a little more detail is in order. when they first came about, round bolts were called M-2 BOLTS. because of all the scare when GCA 68 became law in 1970 many vendors refused to sell them without providing NFA forms t time of purchase. almost all of the rebuilds for and after KOREA got round bolts even as M-1's. the MAIN reason the flat bolts break is as forged when flat is the profile of the bolt lug is wrong. when rounded it allows more metal where the lug turn is. least that's the scuttlebutt that flew when the field conversions started breaking in EUROPE. however I DID break a flat bolt in a semi only gun also but only one. as I mentioned previously its very difficult and as an individual impossible to know if you have created the proper pressure curve with the load. if wrong when the gun starts to unlock , it can . break the bolt / chip the receiver behind the bolt lug / damage the op-rod. is slight the damage is progressive, and maybe the gun seems sluggish due to case grip to the point it wont open. if misjudged many increase the load to the point its so heavy, things break. for a while PATS reloading had actual carbine pull down powder and bullets, making reloads simple. all gone now so its best to stick to commercial. Midwest has a reg'td receiver @ $7800. and a WIN-HOST w a kit @ $10k and they have sat while. recent auction house reg'td receiver military hammering at $6k/$6.7k +prem no kits offered this year.

THUMPY, check your pers messages. I sent it tonight. cheers mike

MR JOHNSON while I am always hungry for good information GENERALLY WHAT YOU DO HAS NO MEANING OR VALUE TOO ME just what you might know. next to you? they were next to me at the time. but I guess that only works for YOU? it seems you have decided to take me on and make it PERSONAL FOR SOME REASON and you WANT TO CHALLENGE ME, NO MATTER WHAT I SAY OR DO ! I FIND IT OFFENSIVE AND UNWELCOME! if you don't agree, simply state you opinion and leave it at that. calling me out on specific dates and instances is out of line and demands an answer or I hide in fear. were you a cross walk guard in grade school or are you self appointed board cop? where this comes from I have NO IDEA. I have never bothered your family or knowingly cheated you. SIMPLY TO SUPPORT MY REPUTATION, THIS ONE TIME I WILL OPENLY RESPOND, then forever hold you in contempt and ignore it in the future. since 1959 I have been blessed to spend time with most of the HOLY GRAIL in the firearms industry. IE; GENE STONER, GORDON INGRAHM , WERBELL and many more .the NFA and military collection in this room ALL TRANSFERABLE has many examples with less than 10 in the registry (all used often) and is valued at several million. unlike so many others that spout off and repeat what they found somewhere in a book or on the net, so much info, I kept what I needed up front and let the rest roll off to some unused portion of my mind. ON TOPIC , last week at MORPHY's I bought the exact FN-manufactured TRANSFERABLE UZI, I shot next to GORDON at POWDER SPRINGS while he was still with MAC in1970 or 71! 2 OF THE BOLTS in question I PUT EXTENSIVE WORK IN WITH SEVERAL HOSTS. THE FINAL TEST IS IN ONE OF THE LIKE NEW PREMAY SAMPLES. ALL GAVE EXACTLY THE SAME RESULTS. NOT SOME, ALL. that tells even an idiot, the BOLT is the culprit. NOW man with all the answers tell us why. excuse me that's right, you cant because its not next to you. .last trip from ISRAEL (1973/74) I brought 400 plus extractors home with me, no question, they are the real deal. NO HELP they don't fit . what's next, you have all the answers. the 3rd bolt came after my last trip back, same problem but much worse it only makes 5 rnds at best. and a factory extractor is TOO short to engage the pin. ANSWER? YOU can fix any bolt correct? for how long? as it ran for about 200 rounds when the buyer first received it, I suspect it had a custom fitted altered extractor that gave out. lots of people contact me for one reason or the other , some I listen to other's its just blabber. I have LEARNED NOT TO QUESTION SOME, still listen BUT don't record all the minute details, they are useless to me and I couldn't find them if I wanted. BILL SUKULLE taught me how to run that old brl machine and several others ALL BETTER than me. dated YES but anything with his name on it can still bring a premium at auction. few still alive even know who he was. its all set up in the shop now but only for personal use. my only interest was creating MG barrels in cals that didn't exist. THE SHOP has an underground 80 yard or so tunnel with a 75 yrd range and I spent a lot of time with the young people and early shooting skills IN 2018 , one of them, now 28 apprx! called me from CAMP PERRY his name? BRIAN BLAKE, unless he faked his sheets he finished in the lead first and 2nd day of a 3 day event and e mailed those sheet's . I couldn't understand them but he says he won and that's good enough for me using a 7mm barrel from that old machine. that's the end of it for me, any response will be for others, I wont be reading any more posts of yours, if I get anymore upset , we both just end up looking like jerks.

JOHNSON, NO SPRAY PAINT HERE but we do use a little for some things. when we do its not that water based stuff made for garden tools and floral displays on a table.we could produce a perfect SA_18 receiver in about a week if need be. we made couple BREN receivers. about 40 years ago on a BRIDGEPORT TRACER, just to see if it was possible. the main shop has one of the few 12ft gundrill machines operating in the world on a daily basis and 4 more smaller we have all the barrel making tooling from springfield armory and our barrels have won many cats at camp perry and else where we do work for NASA and other's in the high tech trade mainly when the piece count is too small to justify producing it themselves. there are several different FFL's involved many have been continuous since the early 60's and we ALL benefit in one way or the other. someone in the group hold's a sot but we do ALMOST NO outside gun work except for a select long time group of like minded guys that get along and got tired of the long waits and false promises. all this started in the early 60's with a old surplus artillery barrel lathe, $59 sears buzz box and grew from there to CNC mills and LATHES, 6 bridge port mills and 4 LAGUN 16" lathes THEN THE COMPLETE GUN DRILLING ROOM that supports the operating cost of the entire operation. all the other equipment is for personal fun projects. we also build street rods and restore PERSONAL MUSCLE CARS. the property owner has the largest collection of unrestored HEMI CUDA'S and CHALLENGER'S in private hands in the world! IF not at my business I was in the shop doing something until I moved to TEXAS. I still send parts for work and they bring stuff here for me to work on while they are here. THE 3 UZI BOLTS in question are in for hope full repairs one has been about 5 years and the others less. they get attention off and on when someone has spare time. PROBLEM? nothing visible to the eye they just wont run a full mag! there are proven hosts allover the place and several registered receivers to use for function. one requires a spl longer extractor its marked B+G but I suspect its been finagled since its origin it came in about 15 months ago after 2 others tried to get it going. it was sold to some ones friend with a action arms host. ITS BEEN A LONG TIME for me personally but if I recall it right. all 3 bolts end up with a STRAIGHT BACKWARDS EMPTY CASE AT THE THROAT most the time. when not its cross ways with the base out. all my involvement now has been via video's and emails because they are in PHX and I'm in TEXAS. we talk back and forth on spl projects and problems. when I answer these posts from new comers, I have ZERO INTEREST in your or any one else's position or pleasure. my goal is to provide enough info to help them make a decision knowing the other side will get plenty of support from happy folks. I get a kick when many remain unanswered and ignored until I express an opinion then the tread explodes from others that don't agree. no reason to QUOTE ME and reflect thoughts after the fact. just express your opinion and let them judge. I am NOT here to argue or change folks minds that are happy in their own little world just answer a question the BEST way I know how. I can assure ANYONE, I have been there and done that at a level few have managed. those that have wont be on this board in any event. I FIND THIS ENJOYABLE AND WELCOME THE CHANCE TO HELP IF POSSIBLE, I DONT NEED THE STRESS OF DEFENDING MY OPINION AND IF YOU DONT AGREE, STATE YOUR THOUGHTS IF YOU WILL AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.

ALEX, other than early trouble shooting when they first came out, the AC .556 is one of those systems I have almost NO experience with all my guns are factory folders and remain as shipped. WHAT I DO KNOW, not much difference if the same series. most after market mfg's would allow for the biggest variation. anything getting in the way would be very easy to remove with common tools. if you own a DREMAL , even better. don't let it intimidate you inletting alterations of that type are very simple.

GREAT ADVISE ABOVE! high deductible a big help it uses a sliding scale and take advantage for the best deal. one important adder, many exclude acc. like optics and ammo, others don't CHECK! at least cover the optics. KATRINA was an eye opener and even more big changes have occurred following all the bad storms and flooding. make sure and get straight answers concerning them.

yes and 2 west hurley 28's hammered just over 12k that's under 15 with that terrible 20 prem. for me , I find morphys a great asset to the nfa community. prior the best was Julia but they didn't care to express much detail MORPHY's WILL they are in a learning curve and can only get better . say what you will about the auction houses, but its the ONLY answer for these large collections of ANYTHING . no one has the money to pay up front and too many people in the past lost out hen cheated by dealers when it came time to settle.

JOHNSON, NO SPRAY PAINT HERE but we do use a little for some things. when we do its not that water based stuff made for garden tools and floral displays on a table.we could produce a perfect SA_18 receiver in about a week if need be. we made couple BREN receivers. about 40 years ago on a BRIDGEPORT TRACER, just to see if it was possible. the main shop has one of the few 12ft gundrill machines operating in the world on a daily basis and 4 more smaller we have all the barrel making tooling from springfield armory and our barrels have won many cats at camp perry and else where we do work for NASA and other's in the high tech trade mainly when the piece count is too small to justify producing it themselves. there are several different FFL's involved many have been continuous since the early 60's and we ALL benefit in one way or the other. someone in the group hold's a sot but we do ALMOST NO outside gun work except for a select long time group of like minded guys that get along and got tired of the long waits and false promises. all this started in the early 60's with a old surplus artillery barrel lathe, $59 sears buzz box and grew from there to CNC mills and LATHES, 6 bridge port mills and 4 LAGUN 16" lathes THEN THE COMPLETE GUN DRILLING ROOM that supports the operating cost of the entire operation. all the other equipment is for personal fun projects. we also build street rods and restore PERSONAL MUSCLE CARS. the property owner has the largest collection of unrestored HEMI CUDA'S and CHALLENGER'S in private hands in the world! IF not at my business I was in the shop doing something until I moved to TEXAS. I still send parts for work and they bring stuff here for me to work on while they are here. THE 3 UZI BOLTS in question are in for hope full repairs one has been about 5 years and the others less. they get attention off and on when someone has spare time. PROBLEM? nothing visible to the eye they just wont run a full mag! there are proven hosts allover the place and several registered receivers to use for function. one requires a spl longer extractor its marked B+G but I suspect its been finagled since its origin it came in about 15 months ago after 2 others tried to get it going. it was sold to some ones friend with a action arms host. ITS BEEN A LONG TIME for me personally but if I recall it right. all 3 bolts end up with a STRAIGHT BACKWARDS EMPTY CASE AT THE THROAT most the time. when not its cross ways with the base out. all my involvement now has been via video's and emails because they are in PHX and I'm in TEXAS. we talk back and forth on spl projects and problems. when I answer these posts from new comers, I have ZERO INTEREST in your or any one else's position or pleasure. my goal is to provide enough info to help them make a decision knowing the other side will get plenty of support from happy folks. I get a kick when many remain unanswered and ignored until I express an opinion then the tread explodes from others that don't agree. no reason to QUOTE ME and reflect thoughts after the fact. just express your opinion and let them judge. I am NOT here to argue or change folks minds that are happy in their own little world just answer a question the BEST way I know how. I can assure ANYONE, I have been there and done that at a level few have managed. those that have wont be on this board in any event. I FIND THIS ENJOYABLE AND WELCOME THE CHANCE TO HELP IF POSSIBLE, I DONT NEED THE STRESS OF DEFENDING MY OPINION AND IF YOU DONT AGREE, STATE YOUR THOUGHTS IF YOU WILL AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.

HEY GUYS< DONT GET ME WRONG, I JUMP FOR JOY every time I hear a success story in this trade and MOST OF ALL a TRULY SATISFIED USER. BUT I refuse to B/S and or change what I have seen with my own eyes. I have a wall of UZI's and have since day one. FACTORY TRANSFERABLES./ REG'td REC'r slotted bolt / REG'td REC'r reg bolt in both mini and full sized. ZERO REG'td bolts. MOST of them don't sit in a safe or hang on the wall, they get pounded! one IMI GUN has been welded at the rear several times. and when one stops working, drop in a NEW PART, NO TWEAKING, DROP IT IN ! there are 3 bolts sitting on the shelf in PHX that have been to all the GUY's PRAISED ON UZI TALK, landed there after failure and the owners just suffer the loss. REMEMBER HOW HARD IT WAS FOR YOU WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED ? apparently its only mine, but in my opinion ALL YOU HAPPY GUYS DONT MAKE UP FOR THAT it was OK when the BOLTS WERE HALF OR LESS THAN A RECEIVER, but those days are gone. I have seen a lot of WORKING bolts that don't have the same markings they had at midnight way back in 1986 either. SHOOTING A LOT since 1961, I have only seen 4 machine guns that could not be fixed, ONE M-16 and 3 UZI BOLTS ! UZI TALK, SPREEK ENZI , or any other chat or string of verbiage is just that UNLESS its PROVEN. ACCEPTANCE is NOT PROOF and I stand by what I say. this crap is endless IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH MY OPINION , JUST STATE YOUR's and let others decide. after all its only opinion anyhow and exceptions are possible in anything BUT NO, the BANTER MUST GO ON and its ENDLESS. at one of our bigger shoots here on the ranch I invited several MAJOR DEALERS AND COLLECTORS to come along. they came from 3 states and we shot for 4 days. every weapon you can imagine was present but, MOST had variations of HK's with sears along and I listen and watch all the praise back and forth about how good they are NOT ONE EXAMPLE RAN TROUBLE FREE ! one customer came with his dealer to shoot his $39,000.00 MP-5 SD that was pending. it took about 6 to separate them when it failed to complete ONE magazine, BUT EVEN I WONT ARGUE against a HK or a sear, MOST can be fixed its the excuses / back pedaling and stuttering I cant endure .

BOB my last visit to a public shooting range (pre Obama) of the 40 stations , 29 had a 91 present and half those had a steel case stuck in the chamber, (I fixed them) so the demand is out there and not that many load that caliber unless pretty dedicated and own several. at the same time J+G in PRESCOTT was selling a 880 rnd case of that for $37.50 and 720 rnd 8mm for $29.50 by the truck load. after the 2nd they made them both $29.50. I have so much 54r I never paid attention but as the 8 got low was FLOORED by the rise and how fast. I just watched a 440 tin hammer at $158.00 PLUS 15% premium last week and thought that's crazy .43 is even worse. WOW! if I could give up all my VICKERS SG-43 and 1910 "s I could sell all the 54r off and have a FORD GT-40 for everyday of the WEEK! maybe 2020 is not looking so bad after all .