mike todd

funny but even if we knew it could be 3 years or more to be approved there are still some of use that would fill out the forms ?

lets use the real description and keep it simple, then you can avoid any confusion. right at the start he states the gun is on a form 4 . there is no tax free transfer for firearms on a FORM 4. INVENTORY on his books can be transferred tax free using FORM-3 to another dealer or tax free agency. Some dealers have examples on FORM 4 to separate them from inventory making them "personal" property. when those are sold, the tax must be paid AGAIN. sorry but you cant copy text to support an opinion when the question is asked using incorrect information

GOOD ADVICE FROM BEN! its best to get all the legals from one trained to do so. from what I see in the past when it comes to inventory when the lic expires it remains the property of the primary lic holder and any "pre may samples" would be his to hold no matter how the lic is titled.

R.L. the only reason I "jumped" in was because you didn't take sides with the "ISSUE" but DID support someone you have had past dealings with. anything more would have been like all the other posts in this thread useless. in this case it was claimed a member did not meet his end of the "deal" and you simply stated it would have been out of character for him to do so and you were totally correct to stay out of the actual transaction. any outsider taking sides without all the knowledge would be and is wrong and that's the bottom line! 3 CHEERS FOR YOU!

If you have not , you need to reach out to TROY EDLUND AT barrel exchange .com drums are right up his alley and his stock is variable BUT he is a standup guy and can help you .. also they are currently offering the 30 rnd REISING MAGS AGAIN

SORRY GUYS, but as I get older I have started to have a few regrets about how fast I drive. the fact that my speed endangered others out there just never hit me and I find the habit very hard to break to this day! I always try to drive at night when taking a long trip and can still go 30 40 hours non stop no problem my last drive to the creek was non stop EXCEPT for 2 talks with troopers. neither one resulted in a citation but the ARKANSAS trooper did point out I could have been jailed for 40 over. actually about 85 is my comfort level. I keep my truck up completely and tires are replaced b-4 30k without fail. enough about that, the fact is I have been a positive part of society and MANY FAMILIES now live well because I was there. actually guns were a total loss for me financially because I gave EVERYTHING away already! and would gladly do it again many times over. the only other regret I have is destroying what guns I used up enjoying them back in the day and wasting good gun money on women. while involved I certainly took care of them and made sure they had all the goodies, but other than the first, they were all a complete WASTE! in fact I gave up the first because I could not be what she needed , I could not play the social game with other families most of which were the type we spend all the time fighting politicly and just got tired of defending myself and my hobby to them. even with her I NEVER explained the cost or any details about the guns. I justified that by turning over my complete income from my job and using all the "outside income" for the hobby. at the same time she never had to "explain" the designer purses, nail jobs or bi monthly hair work to me. I UNDERSTOOD THE NEED, even contributed at times and looked on it as the same as my hobby.

RANGER, I THOUGHT YOU MADE IT CLEAR THE GUN WAS ON A FORM 4 AND OUT OF STATE? if so get ready for the long wait in any case the best way to figure this is to FACE REALITY ! if the gun is indeed on a form 4 , it will be at least 6 months to transfer it ANYWHERE ! IF you wait for your C+R B-4 you file the transfer, it can come directly too you. if not it must go to a local FFL holder, elapsed time the same but usually a fee to them. once it lands in your state, the time to transfer either from a FFL or your C+R to your rtust will be the same, BUT the latter would allow you to have it "in hand", AND if his examiner is slow the C+R may be faster. I have SEVERAL transfers pending as I type this and they are all taking the same time. dealer to dealer is less than a week if "e-filed" 3-4 weeks if hard copy. form 4 to my dealer,3-6 months. dealer to my C+R , 6-13 months. form 4 to my C+R, 11-13 months. form 4 to me , 6-22 months. actually when a dealer is involved the time is controlled by how dedicated the examiner is. EVERY DEALER is assigned an EXAMINER and if they have a good work ethic it can go quite fast. my record in the past 4 years is as long as 22 months and as short as 6 months. my dealers examiner must have good ethics because I have several under 13 months from them

THUMPY, I HAVE HAD A MODEL 50 REISING SINCE DAY ONE, owned several and NEVER had a problem of any kind other than sending a few muzzle breaks down range. and yes there are a few out there that can still be bought very reasonable, but those days are going fast. several examples at the last ROCK ISLAND auction hammered so close with the buyers premium they broke $10,000.00 . in the past they have been way under valued in my opinion and everyone that has shot one much, seems to agree.

SCOTT Y or "NIGHTRIDER" OR whatever you care to call your self, have proven exactly ONE THING with the above post. but sadly it will take TOO MANY words to describe so in the interest of fairness will cut it short, BULL SHIT! R.L may have not been involved in the transaction, but at least he knows ONE of the individuals in the thread. all you did was describe YOURSELF COMPLETLY because you knew even less! I cant respond or come to any conclusion concerning the original transaction, BUT I can put a value on an ESTABLISHED MEMBERS OPINION! and that's EXACTLY what R.L. DID ! he countered the attack by stating his results DEALING with another ESTABLISHED MEMBER and that's what THIS PLACE IS ALL ABOUT!

OK GUYS, THE GLOVES ARE OFF AND THIS JUST GOT A "X " RATING! no other words will fit in this story. Back in 1983 I bought 3 Maremont M-60's. in most cases, I bought more than one because when its broken or blown up, another may not be available and most of my life I shot more than 5k rounds a week and used "battle field" pick up and ammo stored wrong to get the best price so the guns suffered a bit. anyhow back to the M-60's, when they came in, I loaded 6 20mm 1500rnd cans of lake city in my truck and went to the closest place I could shoot. that desert area drew shooters, ATV and motor cross riders in droves. I went to a box draw area unloaded and started emptying links. half way through the first can, I got up , looked around and there were maybe 15 or so bikes and a couple trucks behind me, just watching. I have always been out going and never missed a chance to promote the sport and a couple guys started asking about the gun. pretty soon it was maybe 10 guys talking around my tarp and someone asked how much the gun cost. I mentioned "these " are special and cost a bit more , but a typical belt fed gun package was "about 4 thousand" at that he looked at the 800 or so fired cases and asked ammo cost. I said it varies by quantity at the time but about 30 cents a round. he responded DAMN YOU MUST BE RICH! I said NO I JUST FOCUS ON THIS. his response was "THAT COULD BE HARD WHAT DO YOU MEAN" ? and I came back real fast, NO ITS EASY, JUST GIVE UP WOMEN , DRUGS AND ALCOHOL . he looked at me real hard and said "FU*K THAT " ! my point in sharing that story is we all do things out side of the have to things and have a certain amount of flexable funds. in my case it has always been only gun related. no outrageous dinner out. fast foods, alcohol etc. my early knowledge allowed me to do repairs for cash and that in turn gave me inside access to haunt the pawn shops and gun stores for those hidden treasures someone else wanted and a few sheckles came that way, but it ALL WENT TO MORE GUNS! I used to have long chats with the "lads" in Canada that had MG's and while they all were angry about the new laws that made their MG'S worthless, the fact that they could not get anything new or complete the collection upset them more. MYSELF? at 16 yrs old, I made a pact with society. I promised to obey CRIMINAL LAWS and be a positive contributing member. remember almost all traffic laws are civil violations, so I left that out. I do drive FAST. in turn I expected society to leave me be and allow me to pursue my interests. I have done so but "THEY" have not and "THEY" keep changing the rules! well change all you want, and GOD help anyone that attempts to force me to do things different than I have since then. you wont see me in line to "turn things in" they will have to come and get it. I DO KNOW HOW TO FIX THIS WHOLE PROBLEM! when a politician takes office in this country, they must swear to uphold the CONSTITUTION ! THE FIRST TIME THEY TALK ABOUT CHANGING IT OR THE 2ND AMENDMENT, ARREST THEM AND IMPEACH THEM FOR VIOLATING THAT OATH! I promise you it will only take ONE, then its ALL OVER and you can rest easy.

TED, I have a funny thing about what fits / looks right etc. in my WW II top charge THOMPSONS most of the time I use the 30 rnd and that's what is in them on display in the vault . the 20's look right to me in the 28's and the COLT's. I only use 20's in my M-16's and others. its kind of looking at those tractor pull rigs they all look funny to me with that square tubing in the roll bars etc. it just looks pitiful . BILL if your still here, magazine design can make a BIG diff in loading ease. the THOMPSON mags are "DOUBLE COLUM " DOUBLE FEED and that type should also load easy . example? your model 6, UZI, MP-5. where it gets tough is when you go DOUBLE COLUM /SINGLE FEED . the transition causes major friction at the change. again SINGLE COLUM /SINGLE FEED like the sten are usually easy until they get close to full and the extra stiff spring is letting you know you have reached the end. after you reply I was surprised you asked about mags. owners of the model 6 are forced to learn quickly. MODEL 6 mags can be loaded backwards and there is no indication which is proper.on top of that. they have ALWAYS been TOUGH to find! another major reason the design failed. it would have remained one of my favorites had the mag issue been better.

I DONT AGREE WITH MUCH OF THE ABOVE but that's the way its posed to be in this country ! all you guys are thinking since 1986 and as a matter of fact the overall values of MG's increased more than you will believe from 1965 until 1980 . the category index increased more than 2000% ! colt Thompson in 65- $250 / 80-7/10,000 ! 1917A1 =65-$300 /1980-$8000. PICKS WORLD CURRENCY DID A STUDY ON THE MACHINE GUN MARKET IN 1979 AND THE YEARLY AVERAGE INCREASE IN VALUE WAS GREATER THAN 145% . actually I never cared its what I did and I paid whatever I had to in order to get it. never thought about how much I could get for it if I got tired of it. to me getting rid of a machine gun , is just like sitting on a toilet after a meal. I don't want to waste the time and effort, but its going to happen so allow the "movement" to proceed. thank GOD other things worked out well for me and I never had to think much about the money AND I SURE AS HELL DIDNT CARE WHAT SOME WALKING TRASH RECEPATACLE THOUGHT! lt was kinda nice giving them something worth while to bitch about for a change. a good point in fact is the modern perception in this world that created $20,000. MG-34's and a piece of aluminum with a spring auto sear at $30,000. WHAT GIVES YOU THE MOST JOY TO LOOK AT?

"THEY DIDNT MAKE DIDDLY " so take a moment and think about yourself ! it all got shoved down their throat just like US now. ITS THE GOVERNING AGENCY and NOT the PEOPLE trying to survive! back in the 90's I got heavy into shipping hotrods and boats over there by the container and met quite a few local machine gunners that had the common interest. all were great guys and I ALMOST made the MOVE over there when we got hit with the assault weapon ban. al the snags moving my collection saved me and I came to my senses. ACTUALLY , THERE WAS NO WAY I WOULD EVER ABANDON A CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT , but at the time they had the most ideal system for this stuff I have seen or heard about. to possess a MACHINE GUN or ASSAULT RIFLE , you got a collectors license and kept your OWN BOOKS ! if you wanted to buy, trade up /down with another collector, both just made the entry in the book and deal DONE ! every 6 months you took your book into the local PD and had them sign off all the entries. ammunition like all luxury items had a 100% import duty. hotrods and boats are considered a luxury, but I quickly learned the officals were typical parliamentary or socialist employees and don't know or care about being correct as long as the proper forms are altered. most the guys I met would have fit in with us any where anytime but AT THAT TIME WHERE JUST WHERE WE ARE NOW , so take heed and GET READY!

TO ANSWER YOU R QUESTION ,any original Thompson mag will work in your gun EXCEPT those adapted to work in the semi auto guns. 20 and 30 round all work. personally I prefer the 20 round mags. they are easier to load and handle, look right to me and don't hang down too far. I believe all the 28 guns were meant to use the 20 round mags , because the 30 round did not appear until the M-1 went into service. when looking at mags to buy check the hole in the rear, it must be elongated to work in the semi's. and just for your knowledge, all stick mags were blued when made. you will see a lot of parked mags because when packaged they wrapped them in that paper and it would "capture" the moisture in the air when packaged. when we first introduced the "SPITFIRE" for weeks at a time all day I opened hundreds of factory packed cases of what looks like perfect new magazines then when the paper is removed a solid coat of rust is revealed. in fact I unwrapped some and the rust had gone completely through the housing making some nice holes so just keep that in mind. oh how I wish I could still buy them by the case for a quarter. ENJOY YOUR NEW GUN ! it was a wise choice! cheers mike

I guess by now most of you know that the NEW ZELANDER'S got raped bad by the IDIOTS IN POWER with the new regulations. I heard about it and just let it go over my head cuz nothing can be done , but after I went to the police webb site I GOT PISSED! its bad enough and we have heard all the excuses and reasoning , but taking the guns away is NOT ALL THEY WERE AFTER! like our IDIOT'S they used the expression, "in the interest of public safety" but look at the regs and I CANT SEE WHAT OR WHY IT IS WHAT IT IS ! THEY DID NOT JUST MAKE THE GUNS ILLEGAL TO OWN , THE NEW REGS SAY THEY CANT MOVE OUT OF COUNTRY AND TAKE THEM WITH ! THEY CANT SELL THE GUNS OR ANY OF THE PARTS OUT OF COUNTRY ! EVERYTHING AND I MEAN IT ALL MUST BE DESTROYED! owners must accept what ever price the govt offers with no option for appeal! now think about THAT! the shield of PUBLIC SAFETY is completely removed by making it illegal to export parts or complete guns. THEY ARE PUNISHING THEM FOR OWNING THEM. I'M NOT SURE HOW I WOULD REACT, BUT I KNOW IT WOULDNT WORK IN THIS HOUSE AND IT BURNS MY ASS!

sent pm mike

JOE, YOU ALMOST GOT IT ! the only part you didn't show is the part that tells the extractor what to do all will have machine work on one side and some on both sides , that is the ONLY thing to separate them. the FN-30 is a TOUGH gun to ID because that really ID'S all the browning .30's that FN made to them it was a "type" I never found a bolt/ extension combo that would not run in ANY of them just remember if the parts are there for right and left feed at the trunnion then the bolt should have the switch only the later lite weight guns would dual feed so if a sideplate is present that is "slab" sided it would not feed left and right.

when choosing a gun to shoot , forget ammo cost and focus on the 2nd MOST IMPORTANT thing, FEEDING IT RELIABLY! if all the mags out there are JUNK you are not going to be happy! I believe the RIESING 50 , to be one of the BEST BUYS in the field. its always been one of my favorites, they all work and while not cheep the MAGS ARE GOOD. most guys gripe about the capacity but 20 rounds flawless is 100 times better than 32 sometimes. I put the POWDER SPRINGS and RPB- MAC-10 in .45 right beside it in rank and again because THE MAGS ARE GOOD AND EASY TO GET. lots of folks have the M-11/9 but 90% of the mags out there are TOTAL JUNK. I hear of a few metal converted mags out there but they wont share that info with ME . in 9mm the BERETTA 38 or 38/42 is a good but hard to find piece and prices are close to an UZI these days. MY FIRST CHOICE in a 9mm would be a REGISTERED RECEIVER converted IMI UZI. cost is more but parts are CHEAP and so are the MAGS. beware of the registered bolts and UNPROVEN GROUP GUNS ! getting a refund after the transfer IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. while there are many claim to be happy user's out there , I know of more examples that just wont run even after many EXPERTS have done the deed.

JOE, are you concerned with operation or just being completely correct? many of the variations are just the way things were done when certain contracts were awarded, also FN was ALWAYS on the lookout for ways to cut costs. another problem is when building guns if they had a large supply of parts and could complete the order, they would use what they had. except for ISRAEL, most of the contracts were for small quantity orders. ITS hard to say without looking at the top, but I believe the right extension is for either the FN-38 or another aircraft gun that had "dual feed" SOME, but not all the FN-38's could be dual feed. I am certainly NO EXPERT, but had more than 75 kits at one time from ISRAEL , HOLLAND, and BELGIUM GOVT contracts. the only guns with any model markings were only model 38's not a single model 30 in my mess had that on it when I visited the plant the last time and managed to get "hands on" in the spec room I found all kinds of variations in the SAME MODEL .

Analyzing ATF rulings can be a challenge and to be safe on my end, I believe ANY parts kit sold or traded must be destroyed at the standards in effect at the time it is offered. which means any saw cut firearm kit, must be torched and the full 1/4" + removed from "all" the pieces BEFORE it is even offered for sale. Many others take a different view and single saw cut MG's etc are openly traded. back in the 80's an individual selling single saw cut Thompson kits was convicted and the facts are well known in that case. Also I do know of a case involving a Russian cannon. it had been cut and approved several years prior to its sale. it was purchased, shipped along with a copy of the approval and when it arrived the buyer was charged with possession of an unregistered DD because it was not done to the level in effect when sold. he was prosecuted and found guilty. SO my contention is, any saw cut sterling would be a violation if traded. several good running Sterlings have been built using the so called 80% Sten tubes and you might be able to get one of those for your build. I have seen a few built with "overlapping" pieces , but they were all very noticeable with crude results. GOD help us but I am sure one of the "other's" will find this thread and opinions will flow unabated, needless to say you will need to reach your own conclusion. JUST BE CAREFULL ! cheers and enjoy MIKE

IN THE EARLY 80's when it became apparent the "slugs" were not just shaking the bush and were a real threat, the various militia groups hit the head lines and I didn't see that as the answer. I have always tried to be a "realist" and aware of most threats then make a plan to counter those threats. SO I put myself in a "situation" and play war games in order to judge my reaction and performance. some how I could never get past that first "knock on the door" or that first "road block" on the highway to my well stocked retreat and imagine myself using a firearm to make the threat "go away". and after more than 30 years doing so, STILL CANT. giving things my best effort, all I see is thousands more individuals in the same boat. 2nd Civil War sounds right and certainly fits, but really may not be in the cards for that very reason. at best I see countless small conflicts all with the same results, PRIED FROM THIER COLD DEAD HANDS. only then can the "REAL CONFLICT" begin which might be doomed from the start, because of all the waste that occurred in the very beginning .while interesting, all I can hope for is that the MAN allows me to observe things as they unfold. TRUMP got what I believed at the time to be my wasted support and I am still in shock over that so I could have it all wrong and I prey every day that's the case. FACTS ARE, "they" do have the momentum and it looks like we wont even make honorable mention come 2020. THANX to DONALD "they" wont be coming in UN trucks, but "they" will be coming. I HOPE YOU GUYS CAN PROVE ME WRONG AND "TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS", if so come to TEXAS and find my "stash" it will help a bunch. ammo , ammo, ammo!

YEP, GOA is a very good and effective organization and it looks like they are indeed here to stay. NEAL was so active and a key to that success I was very worried it was doomed with his passing. BUT thank GOD JEFF and others have managed to hold things together. all that said, I have NEVER heard one politician or slug mention them at all much less express any concern. still they do have room to grow and will continue to get financial support from me , but as far as I am concerned the NRA still gets the major part of my end. when and if the NRA falls, no matter why, get ready to lose anything you have above ground cuz it will be gone before the inks dry. so pray SOMEONE comes to their sense's and figures a way to keep YOU GUY'S happy while reacting to all the other stupidity getting all the press. fighting that along with any internal strife makes them even less effective and waste full. reading this thread reminds me of all the different partisan groups in Russia during WW II . THINK how much effort and how many people and assets they wasted fighting each other instead of the REAL ENEMY?

Johnson, as usual you put a lot more thought in your reply than I did and I HOPE you got it right, but rising may be too late? one thing I HAVE learned once the damage is done it stays. been actively watching this crap since 59 and even went back to the PRE American rifleman days. same old threats but names changed. same fear tactics applied in the 30's and it didn't help us at all. for me, I will keep flushing money down their toilet I don't have anything else to use it for. no one will sell any good grease guns anyhow these days.

NICK<THANX FOR THE POST! these days there just isn't enough for us to be excited about, but I have been waiting for this a LONG TIME. maybe now I can start using the proper name for things I have. the INTERNET has been a little tough on us old geezer's. many folks study in depth now using the limitless info available. my problem is, I have the stuff, just don't know the "TRUE" or "OFFICAL" name and get called on it at times and this should help. HATS OFF TO YA, FOR SHARING! MIKE

PETE, I was saddened to see your post even though I have many of the same feelings. when the 86 machine gun ban was mishandled by the NRA and allowed to pass I demanded they cancel and strike from the active records MYSELF / WIFE / SON and DAUGHTERS LIFE membership in protest ! then bought them all back AGAIN in 92 and sent an extra $1000. in support. IMAGINE WHERE WE WOULD BE WITHOUT THEM? YES what they do with some things is almost criminal but the OVERALL EFFECT is still the best shot (intended) we have. ALL OUR MAJOR OPPONENTS FEAR THE NRA WITH GOOD REASON! the waste in membership drives is most likely the worst drain . we all get several membership offers in the mail and that's something that could be easily avoided if a tight belt was any real concern . I don't think private ownership of firearms has much of a future but hope I don't live to see it go away and will do all I can to support any and ALL that openly support the 2nd as it is. at the same time I make it a point to keep up with all the "ANTI" CROWD" . and do so by EXTREMES! when my new trucks came in with BF GOODRICH TIRES, I refused delivery until they were changed. I wont buy ANY firearm related goods that supports CALIFORNIA STATE AGENCIES . I GAVE UP MY ENTIRE DRAG RACING OPERATION, because they required I participate in CALIFORNIA to continue . please consider the value they DO have when talking with others . cheers MIKE