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2 hours ago, mstrmstr said:not a rant- just if I offer at a price- that is it..
Been around the block
I understand what you are saying, and I can see where a guy might not like it.
All things considered, it's actually a pretty sharp move if you think about it.
8 hours ago, taylorwso said:which dealers? Ive only seen 50/50 deal on personal guns. Most dealers just buy them.
Even if they did who cares as long as the transaction goes through. Seems to me about the same as a deposit on a high value item.
I can name one, because I made that kind of a deal just a few short days ago with a very well known dealer.
He made an offer, and I agreed to take 50% of the offer now, and 50% when the Form 4 is approved.
I had no objections to the 50/50.
I found the clowns in question the other day while browsing machine gun related websites. I was thinking about writing to warn the people here, but got caught up doing something else.
These dudes are first degree scammers.
And for what it's worth, I could not locate their supposed FFL on the ATF list.
-KristopherH
On 2/22/2022 at 7:13 PM, taylorwso said:I was on the other side for 25 years, had dealer that couldn't spell or fill in a form correctly. Did all my own form 4s/prints/pics then had dealers sign them. While there are shit dealers, there are way more shit customers, not saying OP is one, its mind numbing the stuff I have run into.
I, for one, would like to hear some of those stories at some point in time.
Cheers,
KH
John Andrewski is another option.
On 2/10/2022 at 10:46 AM, taylorwso said:Without knowing how the paperwork came through it might not be as simple as you are saying. I've had more than one expert NFA customer before.
Want to slow down a form 4, not send it in for a few months when they said they did, send it with a wrong number, forget to sign it, oh forget to send it in for a couple months each time. Each mistake takes 2-4 months to return.
They don't HAVE to do anything for you, and I don't know why customers have this expectation. There is no law that says I must transfer anything too you. It basically become a civil matter because legally they can have possession of the item and you can't.
I've become more jaded as I have a few customers try and tell me how to do things. I have pertinent parts of the NFA section of the USC printed out and posted on a wall and just point when I get questioned. They usually read a little get pissed and walk away. I will try and help as much as I can but when someone demands something of me I dont respond well.
That knife cuts both ways, friend.
Yes, there are terrible Transferees, no doubt about it.
It's also a fact that there are terrible Transferors; I've personally met at least one of them. Sit on forms for weeks so it can be "batched" with other forms, intentionally use a wrong definition ("submachinegun"), make up BS like "I have to test shoot your NIB M11 because I can be held liable if it doesn't work right".
Having a government issued license doesn't make one an expert. Knowledge of the processes, regulations, laws, nuances, etc. makes one an expert.
Just a view from the other side, your mileage may vary.
-K
On 2/8/2022 at 6:05 PM, TGW said:It's not allowed on this one either. Buddy will be on it shortly I'm sure.
I will probably step on my own crank by saying this, but that appears to be a selectively enforced rule.
I was at North 40 Outfitters a couple of weeks ago, they had quite a bit of ammunition. It wasn't a great deal, but it wasn't priced out of sight, either.
I get my ammo almost exclusively on the internet. I've got a source in the South Central part of the US who always seems to have the best ammo at the most reasonable prices. If he doesn't have it, nobody does.
-KristopherH
1 hour ago, johnsonlmg41 said:problem solved.
you buy this, have Bob take the plate off and sell of the kit and tripod which would bring at least 6K, and leave you with the plate.
I have a plate also, but no interest in selling. It's really cheaper to buy a gun and dispose of the parts kit to a parts kit collector. There are a lot more parts kit collectors than MG collectors, so it's a much easier sale.
This would probably be the easiest avenue, considering the lack of 1919's right now. I haven't seen a bare side plate for several years.
Also, didn't Douglas Lawrence Oefinger have some transferable machineguns he kept to sell off over time? I know he had some unused HK trigger boxes a few years back. Maybe he has a side plate he could part with. He did make 635 of the damn things, after all.
-KristopherH
3 hours ago, Rooster2412 said:CORRECT IF I AM WRONG..... FACE TO FACE SALES TO RESIDENTS OF THE SAME STATE ARE OK, IF YOUR SELLING A FIREARM IN NEW JERSEY AND YOUR BUYER IS A RESIDENT OF FLORIDA IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH A FFL DEALER, EVEN IF HE'S A CCW PERMIT HOLDER HE MUST GO THROUGH A FFL DEALER.
That is correct.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/whom-may-unlicensed-person-transfer-firearms-under-gca
I think it's a feature that comes with a paid subscription. I just did a test post and was able to insert tags during the post creation.
-KristopherH
On 1/8/2022 at 9:09 PM, R.L. said:So face to face private sales in states that allow those sales, are still ok?
Indeed.
Requiescat in Pace, Mr. Linde.
And an early Merry Christmas to you and your family, R.L.
Hope your birthday is AWESOME!!!
-KristopherH
I can dig it.
Glad to hear that life is giving you a break from some of the BS, R.L.
Take care, my friend.
-KristopherH
That's unfortunate.
Several years ago, I had an issue with a seller who refused to file NFA paper work or communicate with me or my SOT. After a year of his bullshit, I turned him in to his state's Consumer Protection Agency and contacted my local LEOs. My LEOs were able to get in contact with him and he started the transfer process. Didn't cost me a dime. If you need to get a lawyer, I would advise you to do so. However, you may be able to minimize your costs by contacting the appropriate Consumer Protection Agency and law enforcement.
Best of luck.
-KristopherH
From the NFA Handbook:
Section 14.3 Disposition of “post-86 machineguns.” Section 479.105(f) requires the FFL/SOT going out of business to transfer machinegun(s) manufactured after May 19, 1986 to a Federal, State or local government entity, qualified manufacturer, qualified importer, or, subject to the provisions of 479.105(d), to a qualified dealer. The transfers must be completed prior to the FFL/SOT going out of business. The transfer to a government entity would be on Form 5 and the transfer to a qualified manufacturer, importer, or dealer would be on Form 3. The transfer of a machinegun manufactured after May 19, 1986 to a qualified manufacturer or qualified importer can be done without the ‘law enforcement letters of interest’ when the possessing FFL/SOT is going out of business. That fact that the transferring FFL is discontinuing business must be documented with the submission of the transfer applications. Transfer of a machinegun manufactured after May 19, 1986 from an FFL/SOT going out of business to a qualified dealer requires compliance with section 479.105(d).
Amazing collection.
5 hours ago, RedRum said:Hi all,
Im a new SOT. I’m thinking about purchasing a m1(m2) carbine from a friend who has owned it for many years. Im told it was amnesty registered. The concern that I have is that on his form4 the gun is registered as an Underwood. The gun has an Underwood bbl but it is clearly a Winchester receiver (readable under the rear sight). Is there a way to get this changed once I have the gun In my possession, or is it even worth opening this can of worms? I know that this gun was probably a later conversion being it is still stamped m1. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks to all!!
Does your friend have the original Amnesty Registration Form 4467? It may shed light on the situation.
Other than price, there is not a bit of difference between a transferable M2 Carbine and an Amnesty Registered C&R M2 Carbine.
I, personally, would not pay a premium on a C&R M2 that didn't have all the relevant documentation included in the sale. That's just me.
As far as manufacturer goes, I'd leave it as it is on the registration Form.
In Liberty,
KristopherH
On 6/8/2021 at 6:06 PM, Bill in VA said:Just curious, but what, exactly, does your prior military service have to do with this transaction? Or is this sort of sad attempt at virtue signalling?
(If it matters, I’m a retired Assistant Professor of History with eleven NFA tax stamps. Also, my dad can beat up your dad.)
Well, hell, I can't be left out...
Technical Engineer. Seven stamps: six FA, one SBR. 
Pretty sure my dear old dad can outwork ten other guys, including sonny boy. 
ETA: Shipping machine guns sucks, and it doesn't matter who does the shipping. It's an expensive pain in the ass.
To Hell with California.
On 6/8/2021 at 10:19 AM, GoNoGo said:.
Looking to value my Sendra Corp M2 Carbine sear (disconnector) that’s on a form-4, I’m an individual.I see a similar sear with host rifle selling for $14,995 on Dealer NFA’s website.
Does $11,000 for my Sendra Corp’s sear (no rifle) sound about right?
Thanks in advance.
Three things to consider here:
1.) DealerNFA always commands a premium. This is because Ruben sells only the finest machineguns and his customer service is stellar. The average seller is not going to be able to command the same price that Ruben does.
2.) Your registered part is selling by itself, no rifle included. Are you including the other M2 specific parts in your sale?
3.) As you are an individual, this registered part may have as many as two Form 4 transfers: one from you to an out of state dealer and one from the dealer to the purchaser. This is going to add time to the process and if it doesn't seem like a good deal to the buyer, they may look elsewhere.
My advice to you would be to figure out the absolute minimum you will take for your registered part. Add to that value and negotiate down if you have to. If your absolute minimum isn't met, keep the part or re-evaluate what you are willing to take.
-KristopherH
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Ryo, you got it, brother.