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I actually prefer 45 in my UZI with the conversion kit to the Reising or Mac10, the only drawback is 16 round expensive mags but Grease Gun UZI lowers occasionally pop-up if you watch GB and forums. The M3A1 Grease Gun bests them all, though, especially with an AWC MK9 OSS integral barrel suppressor. If we're talking 9mm, again the UZI is hard to beat, put an over the barrel Gemtech Mossad II (GSL is remaking them as the Jericho) on it and clack away. I'm just not a Mac fan (and the less said of the Reising the better...) regardless of the uppers and like the UZI with caliber kits (22lr available too but some tweaking required) for a 1st or only SMG. In the end, though, not many people end up only owning a single machine gun.
I assumed this post was his way of backdoor advertising his gunbroker keychain auctions.
Looks like Frank has one at $23k - https://www.gunspot.com/listings/detail/3669/chinese-ak47-underfolder/
I open the pdf link on their website in Chrome and all of the fields are fillable, downloaded and tested on my pc and all fields are fillable. Set up your signature in Acrobat too so you can e-sign it and email without needing to print and scan it back in.
This one works just fine - https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/form/application-transport-interstate-or-temporarily-export-certain-national-firearms
Email to NFAFax@atf.gov for quickest results.
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3 hours ago, Sienna Armory said:I would be
At above market prices like the OP? Lol
2 hours ago, davester said:I always tell customers they are required by law to always have a copy of their approved Form 4 with them in case LE asks to see it. It’s the law of course. A client recently asked what would happen if he did not have it when asked. What are the consequences? I can’t seem to find anything definitive on it. Thanks in advance
It's not "the law of course" to always have your paperwork with you. Ryo explained it pretty well, the way the law is written in many states NFA items are illegal UNLESS properly registered with the federal government so, as he said, keeping proof (I'd suggest a picture of your stamps in a folder on your phone) with you would be a good way to diffuse any over-zealous LEO from confiscating them. I don't carry anything with me and I've also never been asked to show any paperwork, not even when I was back in MN where most of what I was shooting was only legal for licensees. I have had many LEOs come up and start talking about how cool the guns I'm shooting are and I usually encourage them empty a mag. Everyone has a good time and parts friends.
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I don't think there's any point to owning a machine gun that you don't shoot. The main value MGs have over other firearms is the legal ability to fire more than 1 round per trigger pull so, for me, not shooting one you own makes no sense and "never fired"/"NIB" machine guns hold no extra value for me either. I've seen some MGs that looked beat to hell that ran like a top and some supposedly pristine ones that didn't run worth a piss, so looks don't always follow function either.
On 6/6/2020 at 7:59 AM, davester said:And what if the dealer does move to a different State that borders the State where the form originated? I may move my SOT to Missouri from Kansas if taxes keep going out of sight where I am located. No immediate plans to move but a possibility in future.
If you are moving out of state, contact the NFA division and they will work with you to expedite any outstanding Form 4 transfers. Any that are not approved and transferred to the non-licensed buyer on the date you move out of state will need to be transferred to another dealer in your old state (the one in which the buyer resides) and a new Form 4 will need to be submitted by that dealer.
Your FFL will transfer to your new state and you will be issued a new FFL number once you submit a form 5300.38 and bare approved for business in your new state, which may require zoning/business documentation and another interview just like your original application. They ask that you submit it not less than 30 days before your planned move but I took almost exactly 4 months from the day I Priority Mailed the COA to receive mine so plan accordingly. Unfortunately the SOT is not automatically updated, so after receiving your new FFL, you will need to send a copy along with your current (but now no longer valid) SOT and an updated 5630.7 SOT application (no new payment required) to the NFA division or email it to the NFAfax email address, subject: SOT Specialist - Change of Address/State. You should receive an updated SOT license in around 7-10 business days.
2 hours ago, mattnh said:
Strangely, I don't think the signature on pg. 3 is even required as I have an approved example without it...
It's technically not and I never used to but I had one sent back on the new form without it asking for me to fix. The wording on the newest form makes it sound like it's required regardless so I just sign it now to avoid corrections.
11 hours ago, v8killer said:If I am a new FFL/SOT Type7/Class2 and I am purchasing a MG from an in state individual and is already on a form4. What form do I use to move it into my inventory? Form 3 or Form 4?
Thanks in advance.
Fill out page 1 and include your FFL/SOT in box 5/6, get the seller's signature in box 9, don't fill out anything on page 2 but do sign page 3 at the top, don't send a copy to the local CLEO, and don't include pics or prints. Send 2 copies with your $200 check and expect it back in 4-6 weeks.
On 5/8/2020 at 6:47 PM, Texas said:The dealer handling my nfa transfer moved four days before my paperwork was approved by the ATF. Am I going to have to file the paperwork again or can the ATF just update the address and send it again?
As long as the FFL/SOT is still in the same state there is nothing you need to do. Your transfer will continue as previously expected. Also, it takes more than 4 days for the ATF to actually send out the paperwork after approval, sometimes as long as a month, so don't get nervous if your dealer doesn't have it yet.
The one from the guy in Hastings? Not really a deal unless you talked him down quite a bit.
9 hours ago, riflejunky said:I have a C&R and a dealer/SOT and have never had any issues with BATFE. That being said we have a lady who maintains all our store paperwork and she does a good job providing any information they request. I have talked to others who have not had such good interactions with BATFE but all of them were sloppy with their record keeping. Getting the C&R was as simple as filling out the form and mailing it in.
Doesn't really make any sense to have both, the FFL+SOT trumps anything the C&R can do.
Just had one approved on Friday at 24 days from the date they entered it in the system (27 from the day I mailed it).
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On 2/8/2020 at 8:22 AM, Khrut27Gg said:Has this guy ever bought from, or sold to, anyone else here on Stg.? You do have a copy of his license, right? So you know where he is. Isn't there a fed. paper trail when you send a auto sear to some other licensee? Yes? Then revoke the permission for the transfer, by cancelling the transfer. He will send it back to you then, for sure.
You can't revoke or void a transfer that's already been completed. When you send in a VOID request to the ATF/NFA dept, you are certifying that the transfer never took place. If you do that after the item actually transferred, you'd be committing a potential felony of knowingly making a false statement.
Bingo, no form required to ship a gun (NFA or not) to a gunsmith to work on it.
17 hours ago, mike todd said:b-san, sorry but individual to dealer in 3-4 months is nowhere close to the average reported. work the actual reported numbers and its more like 9 months overall. yes a few are moving faster, just like many form 1's and 4's to individuals. they are exceptions to the rule and not "normal". ALAN THOSE QUOTES ARE FANTASTIC! keep em coming.
Mike I hate to tell you this but whoever is telling you 9 months is average or normal for a form 4 individual to dealer is lying or doesn't know what they're talking about. I've never had one take longer than 5 months (to the exact day) and most of my incoming form 4s are between 2.5-3 months. These are not exceptions, this is the norm. Feel free to ask around with other SOTs.
Shouldn't be necessary but if you're worried about it you can just ask the seller to fill out a 5320.20 marked permanent and send it in. The .20 will get processed a heck of a lot quicker than the F4.
You can't change from one to the other, it's a brand new FFL application. You can have both at the same time so there's no reason to time the application.
10 hours ago, riflejunky said:Spoke to ATF last Wednesday and was told average transfer time ten months currently.
Not for a transfer from an individual TO a dealer. Those are averaging 3-4 months, some less, some more.
Keystone mags? They almost never work right out of the box, very disappointing for the price they charge. Feed lips usually need to be opened up a bit in the front to get the nose of the bullet up at the right angle though it sounds like on yours the mag catch might be keeping the mag a little too low. Finding some factory mags, whether 12s or 20s, is your best bet to avoid frustration.
FYI, you've got the wrong video embedded.
Brennan has always been good to work with for custom guns and other deals. He's a good guy.
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Meh, I've dropped plenty of ORM-D marked packages off at the local UPS pack and ship without issue.