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  1. I haven't ordered yet, but it's what I've decided on unless someone convinces me otherwise (customization recommendations are most welcome). The ArmaKnox 3/16" AR500 Liner comes standard with their Legend line. There is an option to add Carbon Steel Liners, but wouldn't that be overkill? Seems like the internal real estate would be more beneficial.

    1. Stainless Steel 1/2" body (standard)
    2. Stainless Steel 10 Gauge Liner (standard)
    3. ArmaKnox 3/16″ AR500 Liner (standard)
    4. 10 guage Carbon Steel Liner (up to 2 layers maximum)

    Here's the configuration I favor:


  2. All 24 pre-41F forms were approved by the ATF as submitted without any changes required. The original agent that was aware of these modernized Colt transferables was out of office at the time that my file was being reviewed and the examiner assigned was mighty thorough with her investigation, just as I had requested in my included Attention Examiner letter.  I have email confirmation from the examiner that the high resolution printed pictures & burned disc pertaining to this very Colt M4 Commando Enhanced, manufactured in 1998, were received to assist in the investigation, "We see an attached letter with a CD of photos attached. Also, noticed the folders have those same photos enclosed."  So now, in addition to the special agent that assured me of this Colt M4 Commando Enhanced's legitimacy as a transferable and guided me through the completion of it's form 4, I also have email records with the examiner at the ATF stating that they verified the records with Colt directly, "I have reached out to Colt and am just awaiting a response from them on the proper model designation to ensure we have that 100%. Often they designate “M4” as the model and the following content just being additional variant info."  After a 360 day wait, the approved form 4 indeed matches this Colt transferable machine gun exactly/perfectly/correctly, and I have absolute confidence & confirmation that this transfer did not simply slip through the system:

    I realize that there will always be some non-owner skeptics that will never admit that a Colt transferable rarer than a standard M16A2 could legally exist and will stubbornly ignore all support/confirmations/blessings that the ATF provides to the contrary. This is the same illogical and yet familiar denial that some non-owners have for machine guns in general, by condemning them as overpriced toys that aren't worth more than their parts. Nevertheless, here's further proof that such exotic Colts do exist as perfectly legal transferables and in a comparable price range as the 1-off Colt M4 Commando Enhanced once had.  This one is limited to only 12 in the registry!

    And here's your chance to get an M16A2 Enhanced 4-position H-BAR @ $65k asking (verified with various ATF agents to be somewhere between 8 to 12 Enhanced Colts in the registry):

    For a real safe, I decided on the Fort Knox Legend with distressed finish.  It has that cool factor I desire + top tier security (stainless steel requires a plasma cutter to breach @ 1" per minute speed, not taking into account further layers/liners):


  3. Unlike his other emails posted on the net, is the only one I've found that didn't bounce yet, but I can't confirm if he still checks it until I get a response. I suppose I could cc thru to increase the odds... heh

    Personally, I've used the same emails and phone #s for nearly 20 years. Seems quite counterproductive to EVER change your business contact info, unless of course your business model is to receive less business.

  4. You read my mind, next on the menu is indeed a dedicated gun safe. Thanks for your suggestion, that TL30x6 is clearly at the top for intrusion resistance, but I'm leaning towards something from Browning. I like how everything is rubberized and floor/ceiling/walls are carpeted. From what I'm seeing, Browning's interior protection ranks among the top for pampering a gun collection, and that's a top priority of mine in regards to gun protection. It doesn't need to be a 2 ton+ safe with ballistic armor, because I also have a watch dog, security system (windows/doors/motion), security cameras at our cove's entrance, a tall brick wall surrounding/enclosing our well lit cove, and the subdivision we are within includes a paid security patrol. I'm more concerned about when the unsustainable entitlement programs end and Memphis (Detroit #2) becomes a ground zero, will wish this house had bullet proof glass w/ The Purge style reinforcements. Anywho, this won't be the heaviest or thickest, and far from the most expensive, but it seems like the the perfect solution internally for a gun collection:

    However, since their Black Label Tactical Mark IV safe was released over 3 years ago (and they have been releasing new models in 3 year intervals), I'm going to wait to see what their next generation (Mark V?) is like. Plenty of time to decide on a safe, at least 6 more months before any form 4 approvals.

    Runner ups:

    And something I ran across that was cool as hell in carbon fiber, but totally impractical and not a consideration:

  5. PayPal payment sent on June 20, 2016.
    Dealer submitted form 3 to BATFE on June 20, 2016.
    Dealer shipped the M4 Commando Enhanced by FedEx on August, 19th, 2016, see tracking.

    I notice that another form 3 cleared a day faster, was from Frank Goepfert of Midwest Tactical for a Norrell 10/22 trigger pack.
    Dealer submitted form 3 to BATFE on May 15th, 2016.
    Dealer shipped July 13th, 2016, see tracking.

    From what I've read, form 4s take just as long from individual to individual as it does for individual to dealer, and those are averaging 6+ months now.  I'm in the same boat as you with NFA items that are transferring by form 4s to my dealer and likely have another month or two remaining before approval. One of which was submitted early March and just received a correction request letter from the ATF this week (so approximately 30 days remaining on that one), so right at 6 months.

  6. I can vouch for Trey (caf82313) being a legitimate collector/seller. He sold an HK sear manufactured by S&H last year on gunbroker, while I wasn't the buyer for that trigger pack we did do business for LEO marked mags that went thru smoothly/flawlessly (as recorded in our past HKpro feedback). I've also spoken to him on the phone and by email countless times as he's guided/mentored me thru the ropes in learning this machine gun hobby. He's even hosted a machine gun shoot for fellow HKPro members; this thread says it all:

  7. The M4 Commando Enhanced cleared transfer by form 3, was NOT reclassified as a post-sample, and arrived this week!  The seller triple boxed, and yet my dealer was surprised that it wasn't wrapped in a quilt, lol.  No live fire videos to provide at this time, but here's some pics taken today while visiting my local SOT.


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    On 8/15/2016 at 0:16 PM, secondofangle said:

    your grasp of the point of a trust and of 41f and their advantages and disadvantages is fragile at best  Youre spouting off "IM GOING TO GET A TRUST AND CRAM ON 50 NFA items before July 13th so theyre grandfathered!") like you have discovered some sort of Rosetta stone when in reality this big rush does you no good because your current trust is empty. Unless there is some problem with NEOs fingerprints that we dont know about. All this to save you one set of fingerprints and a passport photo.  

    I cease and desist attempting to help you. There is no point youre immune to all information that doesnt suit you for whatever reason 

    You will just troll the internet (as in trolling motor, not urban dictionary trolling - sheesh) and become a de novo expert in all matters NFA - regardless of having ZERO practical experience in the matter other that opening a checkbook.


    Photos of the machine guns were printed on photo paper at Walgreen's.  CD that I included has the original resolution digital files, though I highly doubt that the NFA branch can access the CD since their puters are likely still using Win 3.1 w/ 5.25" floppy drives.  Though I do welcome any delay my efforts bring, since there are still forms that haven't cleared to my local SOT yet.  Hoping the ATF doesn't start processing my forms that were submitted on July 12th until half a year from now, by then everything would have cleared to my local SOT you see.

    @Marshal: That's an interesting solution, creating new trusts for each NFA purchase under 41F for the intent of selling a trustee slot or sole trustee rights.  I like that.  Would be a tad complicated as I'd have to remember which items go with which trust, but its an option to consider.  Plenty of time to decide since any purchases would require months before a form cleared to my SOT, and I'll no longer require my SOT to file prematurely since there's not that impending 41F deadline to meet anymore.  Ironically, transferring to a newly created post-41F gun trust was the ONLY poll option that no one voted for on my thread over at HKpro (though this is a private thread hidden in the premium content, so the sample pool is heavily restricted).  As seen here:

    I visited my local SOT today since much has cleared by now.  The primo toy, the controversial transferable M4 Commando Enhanced, cleared transfer by form 3, was NOT reclassified as a post-sample, and arrived this week!


  9. My gun trust is from Silencer Shop:
    I have no trustees on my gun trust yet, so at least I wouldn't have to trouble anyone yet.

    So I didn't buy everything I wanted before 41F and I have the itch to buy again. However, everything I have is under my gun trust and all items were secured before 41F. What happens if I transfer a new NFA item to my existing pre-41F trust? Does that negate any advantages I had of skipping the photos and fingerprints? Would it be as if all of my pre-41F items are now subjugated under the new 41F regulations, and the ATF will attach my prints and photos to my file/trust? If so, would there be any benefits to transferring items to myself as an individual instead of to my existing pre-41F gun trust? Perhaps filing new items as an individual would keep the two records separate (my trust and myself) and only having 41F records (photos + fingerprints) on myself for post 41F items?

    My understanding is that CLEO notifications are mandatory under both paths. 

    And what's with this 2 year thing. Do we have to send in new photos and fingerprints every 2 year to the ATF indefinitely, or only when we are buying new NFA items?

    Anything else that I may be forgetting?

  10. I don't have any on hand and won't until perhaps Feb/March of 2017 when the form 4s clear to my trust.

    My 1st LaFrance pack was already converted from SEF to ambi 4-pos w/ 2-rnd burst by Terry Dyer, so technically those before and after pics are already on hand. However, I'd rather make my own pics than share what the seller's have provided so that I can hide serials with some painter's tape, as some people are uncanny with Photoshop and can undo censoring, and I'd just rather not risk that. I can't find any signs of welding, but I'm no gunsmith. Honestly, my ambi LS frame may have started as a F/A frame instead of semi for all I can tell, but it was reparkerized to look new, so perhaps that's the results we are to expect after this conversion. My end game is to have each of the following ambi configurations built on LS frames, & perhaps this project could be finished before the stamps are approved:LaFrance-packs-trilogy.jpg
    Here are some gunsmith options for this mod, as in smiths who have performed and will perform this HK frame/webbing conversion from SEF to ambi:
    TSC Machine @ $2.5k
    Michael's Machines @ $500
    Terry Dyer
    TPM Outfitters
    RDTS outsources to Don Quinnell, Fort Myers, FL

    Good luck with your purchase Mit, you're choosing wisely.  With DLO frames you have to worry about the random positioning of the marking/serials, as not all DLO frames are a candidate for this modification. With the LS frames, the markings are always in the same/safe corner, with the same font size and style.  That and DLO frames are too common for my tastes, I like exclusivity.  Regarding rarity, Tim La France checked his records and the last/final HK pack that he registered was # 138. He also said, "There may be a few more but they would have been post sample by that time."

  11. I haven't heard of any La France packs having serialized internal components. Trigger frame/webbing is serialized, and all components within are free of any serials, as far as I'm aware. This involves raking the internet for months for info, talking to current owners, and to Tim La France of La France Specialties himself.

  12. Any last day/hour/minute 41F submissions to share?

    I had 39 minutes left to meet the 41F deadline tonight. Was paranoid about getting a flat tire or stuck in traffic from another BLM protest. Prepaid postage label was dated for July 12th, and the postal clerk obliged with decorating the package with red inked July 12th postmarks. An incredible amount of prep work went to submitting to the ATF before 41F. It really shouldn't be this complicated for new folk, but I suppose that's how they want it, convoluted and complicated. Invested weeks working on the form 4s, and a form 1, perfecting/polishing with periodic calls to the NFA branch for guidance. I was fortunate that my new SOT allowed me to prepare all of the form 4s on my end, and to submit before the form 3s have cleared. He only had 5 items out of my 24 transfers on hand, the rest are pending.

    Everything was printed and dated for today, as in all forms, including their duplicates, were signed by both my SOT and myself this afternoon. Also, a new trust bought from silencershop, its notary stamps, and of course the postage/postmark all dated for July 12th too. Shipped the BATFE the following:

    • Total of 106 pages printed on 32 lb premium paper, including color copies of the 9 page trust. I installed fresh OEM HP toner to be sure all was laser crisp.
    • 8" x 10" photographs for the firearms, printed July 12th with time-stamps. 1st printed at FedEx, they were crap. Went with Walgreen's pharmacy next, much better, allowed end-user to crop and add notes & time-stamps.
    • CD with high resolution files of the photographs, made July 12th.
    • Memo to the examiner, signed and dated July 12th.
    • Check for $4,605.00 dated July 12th for the $200 x23 + $5 AOW.

    I would have taken a pic to share, was one crazy thick stack for the examiner because of the 32 lb paper used. Sorry, just now thought of that.

    All shipped by USPS Priority Mail at the final hour. Final hour as in the postal branch in Memphis is their airport location that closes at 10 PM. Fingers crossed, hoping that nothing gets kicked back, as that was the reason for penta checking everything to perfection.  Now the wait begins.

  13. I live on a zero lot that's very much dead center of Memphis, TN (1.3 million MSA pop), so the belt feds, miniguns, and tanks should go to a better home. Like someone with a hummer, land, and a balcony or flat roof for setting up their turret defense. I suspect that such WMDs would be perma banned from paper shredding at any of the local ranges anyways. I'm still newish to this hobby so I'm sure there's a ton more out there that I'm not even aware of, but time is up for project 41F. Taking all 24 form 4s to my SOT to be signed and dated tomorrow.  Then its off to printing gun photographs, writing memos to the examiner, arranging everything for the packet, and mailing to ATF on July 12th.

  14. On 7/8/2016 at 4:34 PM, JoshNC said:

    Out of curiosity why are you waiting to just make the deadline? 

    Out of the 24 forms that I'm submitting to the ATF, all purchases were made out of state, and most transfers haven't cleared to my local SOT yet. The more time that passes before the ATF processes my forms, the greater the probability that all will have successfully transferred to my local SOT.  What i don't want is for the ATF to process a form 4 for an item that still hasn't cleared the form 3 transfers to my SOT yet.  That could get my SOT in trouble, and result in the form 4 being kicked back. I spoke to the ATF NFA branch several times last week, and I was told that form 4s submitted right before 41F will require at least 2 more months than the current processing time because of the record amount of submissions they have and will be receiving. Current processing time is averaging 5 months, so we can expect 7 months for the forms postmarked on July 12th. That would probably allow enough time for a form 3 to be declined, resubmitted, and successfully transfer before the ATF gets around to processing my batch of form 4s. I’m penta checking these forms tonight and tomorrow before meeting with my SOT for signing and dating. Then its off to printing gun photographs, writing memos to the examiner, arranging everything for the packet, and mailing to ATF.

    Its my 1st time submitting to the ATF, and I'm the one filling out all 24 forms. My gun dealer just got his SOT and I'm their first NFA customer, so its like the blind leading the blind, hence the calls to the ATF and this thread. I decided it best that I complete the forms and invested much time to be sure that everything is as perfect as possible before submitting. Even formed a new trust name last week, purchased from Silencershop, since my previous trust name was too long, trust was generic from a local dealer, and the form 4s weren't submitted exactly how I wanted them.

  15. Rejoice and be merry, for I bring wonderful tidings!  I have communicated with an extremely knowledgeable specialist at the NFA branch and explained that I purchased a transferable full-auto Colt M4 Commando Enhanced with 4 position selector built 1998.  I also explained how the general consensus from NFA dealers & collectors is to unanimously condemn this firearm as a mistake, how there's no way this could be transferable, and how this gun is a phone call away from the inevitable swat team confiscation.

    The agent was already familiar and well informed of the situation with Colt's modernized machine guns that exist as transferables.  He gave me 39 minutes of his time by phone and confirmed much if not all of what I had already been led to believe.  The agent assured me that I needn't worry about this gun being reclassified as post-sample or being confiscated since the serials were registered prior to May 1986.  He went on to say that Colt did indeed enhance and remark some of their transferables and how never to take apart the 4-pos because of the complexity (this agent was very much a gun guy).  He said that the ATF isn't out there to take our guns away and that the blogs (implying forums) out there are almost always 100% WRONG in their assumptions.

    I had also emailed him (and another ATF specialist) the original high resolution pictures that the seller/dealer provided me with, a link to this thread, along with the form 3 and soon to be filed form 4 for review.  I was given the OK to update field 4.d. Model to the correct full model name of M4 Commando Enhanced, and to update the caliber to 5.56 so that ALL of section 4 (Description of the Firearm) will match this firearm perfectly.  The ATF will also update their records on this firearm to reflect what it currently is.  I was instructed to include printed photographs along with a memo for the examiner and to instruct the examiner to contact this specialist if there are any concerns.

    I'm told to expect an email including a ‘party line paragraph’ that will more thoroughly and officially explain the ATFs approval/acceptance of these modernized Colt builds with pre-ban serials.  If I'm allowed to share this ‘party line paragraph’ publicly, I'll do so.

    Rest assured, the following definitive facts are now confirmed on behalf of the BATF NFA branch that these are:

    1. Fully documented and authorized by the ATF as transferable.
    2. Ultra Ultra Rare2 (1-off rarity in some cases)
    3. Among the most current and state of the art up-to-date weapons in the entire NFA Registry!!!

    I agreed not to share the agent's name or email publicly.  However, if you are a fellow owner, you can contact me by PM and I will point you towards the correct NFA specialist to verify these findings on your end.  Thanks for leading me to the NFA branch and big congratulations to the other buyers out there who secured the handful of other modernized and transferable factory original Colt rarities that had insta sold.

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