MPFiveO Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 https://www.ammoland.com/2026/03/atf-pistol-brace-rule-still-face-nfa-enforcement/ The problem is, they don't say which braces they're going to go after... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshNC Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 (edited) Probably a push to get everyone to register SBRs now that stamps are $0. I bet we see them announce that they will go after FRTs not made by Rare Breed too. Edited March 21 by JoshNC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPFiveO Posted March 21 Author Report Share Posted March 21 2 hours ago, JoshNC said: I bet we see them announce that they will go after FRTs not made by Rare Breed too. That is a likely assumption. If Rare Breed doesn't go after them they likely will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 This can't be happening! (at least to the logic some of the younger people apply to AFT decisions) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 On 3/19/2026 at 8:02 AM, MPFiveO said: https://www.ammoland.com/2026/03/atf-pistol-brace-rule-still-face-nfa-enforcement/ The problem is, they don't say which braces they're going to go after... All the braces that touch your shoulder while firing. The reality is there never was such a thing as a brace nor a definition. A shoulder stock with a velcro strap or spring loaded clamp is still a shoulder stock when held up to your shoulder.....which by definition makes that gun a shoulder fired rifle and subject to the NFA SBR rules. It really follows the Thompson Center theory where configuration matters. From 400 yards you can visually tell by stance who's firing a rifle and who's firing a pistol, it's really that simple. As you get closer and see the barrel length, the guy shouldering the firearm with the short barrel will need some SBR paperwork including the Thompson center guy with the 14" barrel. Some folks thought they were pulling a fast one, but the supreme court ruled on this in 1992, before the birth of most of the guys telling us this is all new ground. Those who forget history.....or in this case, those who never learned it..... Now for my disclaimer, I don't necessarily agree with it but it is the current law. The current challenges to the law are inept at best and are doing more damage than good. In a strange twist of fate, some of the plaintiffs will lose since they've sued to personally lose their current rights and the rights of others. The plaintiffs, yes stupid on a good day, their lawyers.....I have no words. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshNC Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, johnsonlmg41 said: All the braces that touch your shoulder while firing. The reality is there never was such a thing as a brace nor a definition. A shoulder stock with a velcro strap or spring loaded clamp is still a shoulder stock when held up to your shoulder.....which by definition makes that gun a shoulder fired rifle and subject to the NFA SBR rules. It really follows the Thompson Center theory where configuration matters. From 400 yards you can visually tell by stance who's firing a rifle and who's firing a pistol, it's really that simple. As you get closer and see the barrel length, the guy shouldering the firearm with the short barrel will need some SBR paperwork including the Thompson center guy with the 14" barrel. Some folks thought they were pulling a fast one, but the supreme court ruled on this in 1992, before the birth of most of the guys telling us this is all new ground. Those who forget history.....or in this case, those who never learned it..... Now for my disclaimer, I don't necessarily agree with it but it is the current law. The current challenges to the law are inept at best and are doing more damage than good. In a strange twist of fate, some of the plaintiffs will lose since they've sued to personally lose their current rights and the rights of others. The plaintiffs, yes stupid on a good day, their lawyers.....I have no words. Spot on. It’s unfortunate how the brace lawsuit was done after ATF ruled braces to be stocks. Adding that number of SBRs to the registry defacto made SBRs in common use, which could have been used to sue to remove SBRs from the purview of the NFA. Instead, brace manufacturers sued to keep braces legal on pistols, because $$. Every single owner of a brace equipped pistol is using it as an SBR. We all know this. It’s a silly loophole. Instead of suing the government to remove SBRs from the NFA, we get pistol braces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPFiveO Posted March 22 Author Report Share Posted March 22 34 minutes ago, JoshNC said: Spot on. It’s unfortunate how the brace lawsuit was done after ATF ruled braces to be stocks. Adding that number of SBRs to the registry defacto made SBRs in common use, which could have been used to sue to remove SBRs from the purview of the NFA. Instead, brace manufacturers sued to keep braces legal on pistols, because $$. Every single owner of a brace equipped pistol is using it as an SBR. We all know this. It’s a silly loophole. Instead of suing the government to remove SBRs from the NFA, we get pistol braces. Spot on to your spot on. The problem was/is the ATF's inability to make a decision on something they actually had the authority to make a decision on. If something is attached to a pistol and it can be placed on the shoulder then it qualifies as a stock. The "brace" should have never been a brace, it was a stock by any another name. They did have the authority to say that one could shoulder a brace without first registering it as a SBR. Anyone firing one from the shoulder has a SBR, because that's the way it's being used. The ATF didn't have the authority to say that it's not a stock because of the way Congress wrote the definition. The key term is "designed or redesigned". A brace is just a redesigned stock. Today, it's almost a moot point because now it costs nothing to register a SBR and only a few minutes worth of time on a computer to be in compliance with federal law. I don't think that SBR's should be under the NFA because the law was originally intended to include handguns and guns made into handguns from long guns. Since handguns were exempted from the NFA then handguns made from long guns should be exempted too. It's never stopped criminals from using them and it shouldn't stop law abiding citizens from using them in a lawful manner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 I'm just waiting for Thumpy to chime in on how braces are "common usage" and how this is all somehow the "boomers fault" because they didn't rise up and defend the 2A back in the 60s. It doesn't take a crystal ball to tell the future, only a bit of wisdom and intelligence. Something the younger people lack in large measure. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 Oh I’m sure it’s coming….. I have a feeling that all of these NFA “loop holes” will be sorted out and then no one will be happy in the end. We all know what they are and what the end result will be. My favorite thing to see on social media is an arm brace “non SBR” with a suppressor on it. Those ones crack me up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPFiveO Posted March 23 Author Report Share Posted March 23 5 minutes ago, Got Uzi said: My favorite thing to see on social media is an arm brace “non SBR” with a suppressor on it. Those ones crack me up. Especially now since it costs zero dollars to register or transfer them. That may be the thing that kills braces, except for states that don't allow SBR's. I'm sure one thing the ATF will be looking for are optics on brace equipped pistols that can only be used when shouldering the firearm. A red dot might be fine, but a 3x9x40 on your pistol might be a red flag. I remember a time where SBR's were rather uncommon. The only time you'd see one was with an HK that was a registered sear host. You almost never saw short AR's unless they were in the hands of law enforcement and even then those were usually SWAT guys. Times sure have changed. I'm glad that things like suppressors and SBR's have gone mainstream but like some I worry about the negative aspects of getting too much attention. Those of us who lived through all the bans have learned from history. We are once again in an era of the good old days. Enjoy it while it lasts. It sure would be nice to get some of that cheap Russian ammo again to go with these cheap AR's and FRT's, yeah, those were the good old days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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