Investment for machineguns

[Dean]

Been doing this for 30 years and in bad times had to sell a lot. I have 5 transferables.  Question is I have enough for 1 more gun 20-30k range.  These are to leave to my son.  Is it worth it or has it hit the highs?  Maybe put in ira

[Thumpy]

I personally don’t believe mgs are a smart investments with super safety’s m16 prices are starting to slip. I have sold off most my mgs now because i genuinely believe the next generation will not care to be buyers at current pricing. This is my honest opinion as a 29 year old who’s been buying trading mgs since the day I turned 21… i believe the real collectables mg42s colt thompsons etc will keep high values etc but the guns in that 20-30k range not so much. Only reason m10s and Reisings cost what they cost is they are lower end mgs… now instead of a low end mg guys are buying a beltfed upper and a super safety getting a lot more bang for their buck.

[MPFiveO]

I'm going to say that I've never bought a machine gun as an investment. The only machine guns that I bought that could be considered an investment were the extra SWD M11's I bought to use as trading material down the road. I once traded two M11's for a FN FNC. Just like now, a FNC is about the same price as two M11's. But I could afford M11's back in the day.

As for investment grade machine guns I would only consider factory guns or historical guns. I would not buy an AR-15 lightning link or drop in auto sear and I'd be hesitant on buying a conversion. The forced reset trigger has made a lot of people think twice about where they spend their money. I think you'd be safe with factory Colt M16's but I am now thinking that the aftermarket conversions are going to get stale on the shelf. I have one and am not even considering selling it because I have no idea what's down the road for the FRT market. They might eventually make FRT's for everything.

All that said, I still think there are certain iconic guns that will hold their value. A perfect example would be the Thompson submachine gun. I'm literally about to drop some big cash on one to fill a hole in my collection. I have a M2 Carbine, M3 Grease Gun and a Reising M50 but not a M1A1 for the WWII part of my collection. That will soon be rectified. Am I worried about investing a large sum of money in it? No, not really. I can afford it, I want it, and I intend to use it. Shooting it isn't going to hurt it's value.

I will say this another way, don't consider it an investment. The stocks my grandfather left me were an investment. Handing down a firearm is more of an heirloom. Don't leave it to him hoping he'll enjoy it only for him to sell it and buy a Corvette or something with depreciating value. Teach him the difference between those things.

I own a lot of machine guns today because I enjoy owning and shooting them. I've been collecting them for decades and every new acquisition is as exciting as the first. I don't know how many more I might purchase as with all markets there are ups and downs. But it's not about that for me. I want to own it so I can go shoot it anytime I like. I have yet to consider actually selling a machine gun to make quick cash. I still have the first one I ever bought, in 1992! In all likelihood, they'll be sold by my widow because I can't see the end of my enjoyment with them.

But, in summary, stick with something iconic. Something with historical relevance. That will hold more value than it's monetary value.

[Fourfiftyfourcasull]

Thumpy said it well.

Relic machine guns like original Thompsons and items of historical significance will retain their value somewhat. My generation (class of 16) is not going to pay $50k on a mp5, id rather just buy a new mp5 for $2K and throw a frt in it. I got my SOT and scratched the itch for a fraction of the cost that one would spend on a transferable m16 receiver.

Transferables sit for YEARS with no interest just look at the nfa sale page BUMP BUMP BUMP, can only imagine it will get worse i just don't see anyone in the future generation spending 10k on a registered mac. : /

[Dean]

My intent would be exactly WII thompson with some history.  He is 9 and always asks about different guns.  It is almost a history lesson.

[Aren]

I disagree, things are a little soft right now, same as when Trump was in office pre covid.

Sooner than later these frt will be banned. Just takes one dumbass.

There are lots of deep pockets in the gun world and others that will sacrifice to have what they are into. It’s the same thing as any other hobby.

A pair of tickets 2 rows in front of mine are $52k next season for the Timberwolves. You’d figure everyone up there is loaded. It’s not the case.

Historically MGs have been a fantastic investment.

[johnsonlmg41]

1 hour ago, Fourfiftyfourcasull said:

Thumpy said it well.

Relic machine guns like original Thompsons and items of historical significance will retain their value somewhat. My generation (class of 16) is not going to pay $50k on a mp5, id rather just buy a new mp5 for $2K and throw a frt in it. I got my SOT and scratched the itch for a fraction of the cost that one would spend on a transferable m16 receiver.

Transferables sit for YEARS with no interest just look at the nfa sale page BUMP BUMP BUMP, can only imagine it will get worse i just don't see anyone in the future generation spending 10k on a registered mac. : /

Laughably, you and thumpy have zero perspective since you have no experience and are not players in the game at all.  No disrespect meant, but you guys shouldn't even really be in the game unless you have banked some serious cash and have life priorities squared away.  Collecting of virtually everything will always exist and have ups and downs.  Tulips, stocks, beanie babies, crypto, etc.  have no intrinsic nor historic value even though they are all classified as collectibles with wildly ranging values.   If they were actual tangible investments you could borrow against them at low interest rates and low collateral levels, but that's not the case.   There are people that collect history and pay accordingly.   Having an SOT and cobbling some po-samples as shooters has no relevance to buying an early transferable 4 digit AR-15 or Maxim.   There are guys that buy gold, and there are gold collectors.  Gold collectors often buy large gold bars minted decades ago and pay a high premium over spot value just as the early AR-15 buyer commands a premium over a 1985 Colt AR-15 conversion done by bubba.  Yep they shoot the same, but are not.  

The majority of transferable guns don't sell here or on gunbroker, so your references may be a bit skewed?   Things priced right here sell sometimes in minutes.   Often people see things only in their own little world and can't comprehend how others live/do things.    There are 24+ million millionaires in the US, all mostly capable of buying a MAC 10.   There are few millionaires under 30, so your generation just hasn't grown up yet?   Or maybe they haven't gotten their inheritance, or in the case of tech bro's can't churn their stocks just yet.    I am aware of a bunch of young successful gamers buying real guns.

  Life is all about perspective, and while I do find the opinions of young people rather interesting, you guys have no life yet, thus no perspective on past performance or future gains even in your own lives.  It can be a great ride, or with poor choices a heck of a bumpy road with multiple off ramps that some never take.   Being a working class slob, I never had the funds for MG's until middle age and while I missed out on "cheap" MG's, I invested in other cheap stuff (at the time) and it paid off, though not generally as good as MG's have.  

As to whether SS are lowering M16 prices, maybe?  That would mean it's time to buy?  They said the same when bump stocks came out, that market would crash....it didn't.  Crank fires, akins accelerator, and 60 other gimmicks to replicate the real thing.  While the SS is the latest, it garners  no 2A protections since they are not firearms and technically may only be available from one source?  Already banned in many states with an uncertain future nationally.    

[Fourfiftyfourcasull]

5 hours ago, johnsonlmg41 said:

As to whether SS are lowering M16 prices, maybe?  That would mean it's time to buy?  They said the same when bump stocks came out, that market would crash....it didn't.  Crank fires, akins accelerator, and 60 other gimmicks to replicate the real thing.  While the SS is the latest, it garners  no 2A protections since they are not firearms and technically may only be available from one source?  Already banned in many states with an uncertain future nationally.    

Your right, rare breed has been going after other FRT manufacturers for patent violations. This whole FRT thing could just be another flash in the pan, this is a notion that my peers reject but i believe should be considered. 

[Chef]

The next "mass shooter" who uses an AR type weapon will undoubtedly have installed a FRT type device in it, and that will spell the end of these gimmicks once the Gov. and state lawmakers figure out the proper, loophole-free wording that bans them.

Then, once again, transferable MG prices will be on the rise, with possibly a greater demand as some of those people who liked using the FRTs suddenly find themselves without them and need a legal replacement and start realizing transferables are the only available option for FA fun.

[Dean]

I have IRA's and property so it wont kill me.  Just sell my boat and that will be a savings.   My wonder is will the younger generation appreciate how rare and expensive these opportunities are?   We he sell them to buy a depreciating asset like a bmw?

[Uncle Zeek]

16 hours ago, Dean said:

Been doing this for 30 years and in bad times had to sell a lot. I have 5 transferables.  Question is I have enough for 1 more gun 20-30k range.  These are to leave to my son.  Is it worth it or has it hit the highs?  Maybe put in ira

Are you asking if they're an investment for you, or something to leave for your son?  Those are not necessarily the same thing.

Here's some perspective - my daughter knows that she'll get any transferables and any pre-86 dealer samples when I die (yes, the latter can be done with proper estate planning).   So investment value on those will be irrelevant to me - my main concern is that she'll have a ready supply of any parts that would need replacement (like the sear on an Ingram), and that she can generally continue to shoot and enjoy them for many decades after I'm gone.

And if she decides to sell one or more after I'm gone, she'll have stepped-up basis in them and probably won't have any taxable income to report.

[Thumpy]

13 hours ago, johnsonlmg41 said:

Laughably, you and thumpy have zero perspective since you have no experience and are not players in the game at all.  No disrespect meant, but you guys shouldn't even really be in the game unless you have banked some serious cash and have life priorities squared away.  Collecting of virtually everything will always exist and have ups and downs.  Tulips, stocks, beanie babies, crypto, etc.  have no intrinsic nor historic value even though they are all classified as collectibles with wildly ranging values.   If they were actual tangible investments you could borrow against them at low interest rates and low collateral levels, but that's not the case.   There are people that collect history and pay accordingly.   Having an SOT and cobbling some po-samples as shooters has no relevance to buying an early transferable 4 digit AR-15 or Maxim.   There are guys that buy gold, and there are gold collectors.  Gold collectors often buy large gold bars minted decades ago and pay a high premium over spot value just as the early AR-15 buyer commands a premium over a 1985 Colt AR-15 conversion done by bubba.  Yep they shoot the same, but are not.  

The majority of transferable guns don't sell here or on gunbroker, so your references may be a bit skewed?   Things priced right here sell sometimes in minutes.   Often people see things only in their own little world and can't comprehend how others live/do things.    There are 24+ million millionaires in the US, all mostly capable of buying a MAC 10.   There are few millionaires under 30, so your generation just hasn't grown up yet?   Or maybe they haven't gotten their inheritance, or in the case of tech bro's can't churn their stocks just yet.    I am aware of a bunch of young successful gamers buying real guns.

  Life is all about perspective, and while I do find the opinions of young people rather interesting, you guys have no life yet, thus no perspective on past performance or future gains even in your own lives.  It can be a great ride, or with poor choices a heck of a bumpy road with multiple off ramps that some never take.   Being a working class slob, I never had the funds for MG's until middle age and while I missed out on "cheap" MG's, I invested in other cheap stuff (at the time) and it paid off, though not generally as good as MG's have.  

As to whether SS are lowering M16 prices, maybe?  That would mean it's time to buy?  They said the same when bump stocks came out, that market would crash....it didn't.  Crank fires, akins accelerator, and 60 other gimmicks to replicate the real thing.  While the SS is the latest, it garners  no 2A protections since they are not firearms and technically may only be available from one source?  Already banned in many states with an uncertain future nationally.    

Respectfully I believe your analysis on me and this is not made correctly but that of some one who’s overly hopeful an bit biter… things can change man… an they are… while I may not be a “big player” by any means in the last 8 years of my time in the NFA I have had transferable Ak’s, m16s, colt thompsons, mp5 sears + many others in my personal collection… achieving more then most the older men have here all while doing it before the age of 30. My semi auto collection has always been advanced reaching well over 200 guns at points again achieving something most men will never have… or achieve in their life time.. To discredit what I’m saying is absolutely comical to me I’m giving you inside view of the younger generation who have historically been the drivers in the market every few years to buy off the guns you older fellas are selling before your pass away… in the next 5-10 years there will not be buyers to replace the current buyers in my opinion prices will drop. The younger market hardly cares about collectables they are about practical tactical shooting… 30k for a m16? Or 7k for a belt fed super safety set up? Lol I can tell you 100% what the young dudes are picking… if you don’t see that I pray you have a professional making your trades in the stock market/ other investments…

 

[MPFiveO]

14 hours ago, johnsonlmg41 said:

Life is all about perspective, and while I do find the opinions of young people rather interesting, you guys have no life yet, thus no perspective on past performance or future gains even in your own lives.

I'm not interested in sparring with anyone but I think this is a reasonably accurate summary.

I think it's great that Thumpy has been successful in his 29 years on this earth and that he jumped into the C3 market at age 21. But, other than the bumpstock ban, he has no idea what's coming, he hasn't seen things yet. I've got 27 years on him in this life. I've seen all the bans since 1986, and there are many. If anyone thinks another one isn't coming then they're living with their head in the sand. Politicians make their living by smearing the blood of innocent victims all over themselves. I've seen it happen over and over. This induces mass hysteria and they get support every time. It takes years to undo knee jerk legislation, sometimes decades, sometimes never... I'm not going to list all the bans or things we've lost due to misguided legislation. I've lived through it. I'll let the young people research it for themselves. Those who fail to learn history...

I'm not going to admonish a younger person for having an opinion that differs from an elder, but understand that the younger generation doesn't yet fully understand how things work. The old saying about respecting your elders applies here. We've seen things in life. We have some insight into what's coming. Enjoy life while it lasts.

As already pointed out, FRT's do not enjoy the same protection as firearms. Several states already have a ban on them. I stated before that the federal government doesn't have to enact any legislation on them, they'll just let the states do it for them. And one mass shooting will be all it takes for federal legislation to be passed. They have a playbook, they will use it.

Machine guns however will still reside quietly in the shadows. The 1986 ban had the intended effect. The restriction caused artificial inflation and now only relatively wealthy people can afford them. So, the majority of people are left out. Particularly those that would misuse them.

The FRT has opened the door to everyone, including those that would misuse them. Don't be shocked when it happens. It's almost inevitable, predictable that it will happen.

Alabama just passed legislation making Glock switches illegal. They claimed it was a tool they could use to curb crime. There was almost zero opposition to it. Mississippi just introduced identical legislation. I'll bet my next paycheck that it passes unopposed.

So, based on my experience, I'm going to say that FRT's are only going to be around for a short time. I'll give it two, maybe three years tops. Machine guns will still be there, and they'll still be expensive.

[Chef]

2 hours ago, Dean said:

I have IRA's and property so it wont kill me.  Just sell my boat and that will be a savings.   My wonder is will the younger generation appreciate how rare and expensive these opportunities are?   We he sell them to buy a depreciating asset like a bmw?

It's really not possible to know what a 9yo is going to be interested in in 12 years.
Regardless of the personal education in values and politics you provide, there are outside influences that he will be exposed to in this time that can influence him in so many untold ways, you can't predict if he will be into cars, guns, sports or art and ballet.
He may worship you and try to "follow in your footsteps", or he may reject everything you stand for and go in the opposite direction simply out of spite.
Puberty, public school, social media and peer pressure will pull him in every direction and spin him around as if he was on a carousel, and you can't predict how he'll end up. 
But, unless you're planning on kicking the bucket before he turns 21 and can legally inherit a MG, you have lots of time to observe his growth and development.
If he's not passionate about military style firearms by age 20, chances are he never will be and you can sell off all the guns you hoped he would want and put that into a retirement fund or something useful. (BMWs (and Audis) are very popular with the "douchebag" demographic at the moment, and aren't worth the money you pay for them at the best of times, but honestly, neither is any car except for the classics of the previous century)

[Thumpy]

1 hour ago, MPFiveO said:

I'm not interested in sparring with anyone but I think this is a reasonably accurate summary.

I think it's great that Thumpy has been successful in his 29 years on this earth and that he jumped into the C3 market at age 21. But, other than the bumpstock ban, he has no idea what's coming, he hasn't seen things yet. I've got 27 years on him in this life. I've seen all the bans since 1986, and there are many. If anyone thinks another one isn't coming then they're living with their head in the sand. Politicians make their living by smearing the blood of innocent victims all over themselves. I've seen it happen over and over. This induces mass hysteria and they get support every time. It takes years to undo knee jerk legislation, sometimes decades, sometimes never... I'm not going to list all the bans or things we've lost due to misguided legislation. I've lived through it. I'll let the young people research it for themselves. Those who fail to learn history...

I'm not going to admonish a younger person for having an opinion that differs from an elder, but understand that the younger generation doesn't yet fully understand how things work. The old saying about respecting your elders applies here. We've seen things in life. We have some insight into what's coming. Enjoy life while it lasts.

As already pointed out, FRT's do not enjoy the same protection as firearms. Several states already have a ban on them. I stated before that the federal government doesn't have to enact any legislation on them, they'll just let the states do it for them. And one mass shooting will be all it takes for federal legislation to be passed. They have a playbook, they will use it.

Machine guns however will still reside quietly in the shadows. The 1986 ban had the intended effect. The restriction caused artificial inflation and now only relatively wealthy people can afford them. So, the majority of people are left out. Particularly those that would misuse them.

The FRT has opened the door to everyone, including those that would misuse them. Don't be shocked when it happens. It's almost inevitable, predictable that it will happen.

Alabama just passed legislation making Glock switches illegal. They claimed it was a tool they could use to curb crime. There was almost zero opposition to it. Mississippi just introduced identical legislation. I'll bet my next paycheck that it passes unopposed.

So, based on my experience, I'm going to say that FRT's are only going to be around for a short time. I'll give it two, maybe three years tops. Machine guns will still be there, and they'll still be expensive.

I appreciate the time you took writing this. You are right in 9 years I haven’t seen everything that you all have seen… but what I have seen is gun laws at least in the Midwest get better and better old laws getting reversed etc… I seen concealed carry go from a no go, to a permit, to no permit needed totally legal.:. I seen the bump stock and brace ban happen and get reversed… I seen the government do an amnesty on the braces…. I seen tax stamps go from 200 to zero… I seen things only getting better and better… I believe if anything worst case FRT’s and super safety’s will end up with us getting another NFA / mg amnesty. Maybe I’m wrong but I feel like I have better odds on being correct. Thanks for contributing to the conversation.

[gamebit21]

     One thing is for certain. His time period is the Trump Slump 2.0 just as the first Term Trump Slump. Things are artificially down regardless. Yes, it does make difference when you do not have a president and vice president walking around everyday saying we are coming for your guns!! HA HA!! The drive and panic factor is not there with people right now. 
 

     Trump is a rare event. I mean I like Vance and other of course. They are not Trump. It is hard too imagine the not only strongest 2A to carry on past him. I mean not just on word. It must be in negotiations and political power and capital. 
 

     The gun grabbers always seem to get “help” when they need it to promote their side. This new generation of non existent trans shooters are the next mass shootout source. With all the hormone shots and psychological brainwashing they get, it is easy to wonder some up and set them lose to kill….

 

     As MP50 clearly stated, the 1986 ban on new private machines had the desired effect the gun grabbers wanted. We have “eliminated” these guns by economics rather than albeit confiscation by force…. Roosevelt, the old commie himself, wanted to outlaw all private firearms in 1934. Then the scheme went to let’s make them all NFA tax stamp guns. Then they went to well handguns must be NFA…. Then so on until the NFA ACT we got. 
 

     Make no mistake. The world of 1934 is long gone…. Even with the conservative and sensible values back then, the crime waves almost allowed Roosevelt and Commies and socialists (warm and fuzzy Commies) to almost succeed in doing so. We are coming back to a time off let’s trade some freedom for security thinking again….

 

     THE FRT Ideas, as well meaning as they are, just are one mass shooting away from being in the pair light and banned. Whether it be a brother in the hood shooting his gun sideways at the cops, or it is a wife of a wife from non existent trans couple going crazy, something will happen eventually. Half the stars already have some trigger and loose written laws to ensure legal issues for years. 
 

     The best bet is to hold onto things that have a good background. Have some transferable and semi and title ones you like. Have plenty of spare parts, mags, and other NORMAL CAPACITY feeding devices. Just go out and enjoy the sport. You always have investments. Save a little and live a little each day. 
 

      Believe me I am positive and upbeat. I am just realistic too. Just enjoy the day, and yes this time while Trump and Good Economics and Availability are there. Just acquire what you want and live. Despite all the bans, taxes, and death, etc., there is the unknown of new technologies and unforeseen future good trends as well….

 

     Just live and be aware of your surroundings. To quote a famous classic, “ life moves pretty fast!! If you do not look around once in a while, you will miss it!!”
 

     

[gamebit21]

P.S.-

     Just some other thoughts. Sure it is great that Thunper and younger people have made allot. We should all praise anyone at any time of their life for great achievements. Life is so so short…. Life is so so fast…. We all have that in common…. Whether we have realised , or we are yet to realise it….

 

     As to firearms, or anything else for that matter, everything is changing. Never underestimate the will and determination of men…. Look at the Ukraine war. 1 or 2 men with drones and small missle systems have destroyed a large combat frigate ship. These 1 or 2 men have destroyed a billions of dollars in hardware, and they have burned up 1500 sailors. 
 

     Just think of the asymmetrical power at play here. Lasers for example that people can carry could destroy far more people and material than imaginable already. The only cork in the bottle is the advent of better portable power sources. Even now carbon fiber batteries with no liquid electrolytes are even smaller and more powerful for example. 
 

     It is only a matter of time sooner rather than later that firearms themselves will not be the only conventional items the common man will have. As much as tyrannical policies or however try to control everyone, you can only grab a hand of sand for so long. It will start to run between your fingers. Times are changing yes. The main thing is where things are going too. We take the best of what we have right now into the future. 
 

     There is the two sides. Collectivism and Individuality. The pendulum slash swings back sometimes against the gun grabbers and negative people. One thing is for certain. Karma and Paybacks ate HELL….

 

[lonewolftactical]

The tunnel vision amongst the different tribes in NFA is real.

There are so many different demographics with their own personal and financial reasons for wanting to own and collect something like this.

So long as it remains legal, the demand will only increase and so will the prices.

The guys that spend 125k on an M60, 75k on a Colt Thompson or 60k on a U.S. Property Marked M16A2 don't care about dumb stocks, geek triggers or blasting through 5 cases of wolf at the local quarry.

[johnsonlmg41]

6 hours ago, Thumpy said:

I appreciate the time you took writing this. You are right in 9 years I haven’t seen everything that you all have seen… but what I have seen is gun laws at least in the Midwest get better and better old laws getting reversed etc… I seen concealed carry go from a no go, to a permit, to no permit needed totally legal.:. I seen the bump stock and brace ban happen and get reversed… I seen the government do an amnesty on the braces…. I seen tax stamps go from 200 to zero… I seen things only getting better and better… I believe if anything worst case FRT’s and super safety’s will end up with us getting another NFA / mg amnesty. Maybe I’m wrong but I feel like I have better odds on being correct. Thanks for contributing to the conversation.

Your thoughts on Missouri resident Chris Brown vs. atf?   A young guy and attorneys that if they win, you and many other states will be banned from buying suppressors.  Fortunately I'd put the win at 5% or less and hope they lose since in some cases I'd be banned as well.  

What I can say currently odds of a SS amnesty are less than 1% since R hold a one seat advantage in the house and I can think of at least 5 R that would not be in favor.    There is no amnesty on braces, nor a definition of what constitutes a brace.  What can happen if you hold a "brace" to your shoulder without an SBR registration, you'd still be eligible for a felony charge.  The bump stock ban was not a legislative ban, but a rule change on an item not covered by the 2A implemented by an agency not authorized to .implement rules on non- firearm related products. 

It is true we are currently seeing a kinder gentler atf, but the pendulum could easily swing in a matter of days if you recall Jan 20, 2021 when communists took over and issued sweeping executive orders and dept. changes.   For a preview of what could happen, see blue state manifesto's such as VA legislation.  Never forget we are dealing with a significant portion of the population that is mentally ill and believes when two people drop their drawers, one side claims they can't identify the male from the female, and that the one with the junk could birth a child.

[KickStand]

On 2/21/2026 at 4:21 PM, Dean said:

Been doing this for 30 years and in bad times had to sell a lot. I have 5 transferables.  Question is I have enough for 1 more gun 20-30k range.  These are to leave to my son.  Is it worth it or has it hit the highs?  Maybe put in ira

Unfortunately, the dollar ain't worth much anymore. That coin ain’t doing nothing but loosing buying power; especially, sitting in the bank. Might as well buy something you want and enjoy it with your son. Another MG, is better than a new boat too  

 

JMO. 

[gamebit21]

Yes. There is a faction with the cash that nothing matters. I mean when you are trading 6 digit belt fed guns. boxes of ammo matter little…. Yes. I forgot to mention Virgina. That is a full blown communist and gun grabbers dream right now. The governor (sh*tburger) is a one woman legislative band. As alll those laws pass, Virgina will literally be one if not rh FCC worst 2A state ever. No grahdfathwring,, amnesty, or special exemptions. Just CONFISCATION….

Edited February 23 by gamebit21

[Thumpy]

3 hours ago, johnsonlmg41 said:

Your thoughts on Missouri resident Chris Brown vs. atf?   A young guy and attorneys that if they win, you and many other states will be banned from buying suppressors.  Fortunately I'd put the win at 5% or less and hope they lose since in some cases I'd be banned as well.  

What I can say currently odds of a SS amnesty are less than 1% since R hold a one seat advantage in the house and I can think of at least 5 R that would not be in favor.    There is no amnesty on braces, nor a definition of what constitutes a brace.  What can happen if you hold a "brace" to your shoulder without an SBR registration, you'd still be eligible for a felony charge.  The bump stock ban was not a legislative ban, but a rule change on an item not covered by the 2A implemented by an agency not authorized to .implement rules on non- firearm related products. 

It is true we are currently seeing a kinder gentler atf, but the pendulum could easily swing in a matter of days if you recall Jan 20, 2021 when communists took over and issued sweeping executive orders and dept. changes.   For a preview of what could happen, see blue state manifesto's such as VA legislation.  Never forget we are dealing with a significant portion of the population that is mentally ill and believes when two people drop their drawers, one side claims they can't identify the male from the female, and that the one with the junk could birth a child.

Well for one I am a Missouri resident, I am a fan of Chris. An have donated to his causes. Because I believe in the fight. Because if we just “don’t do anything” it’s for sure going to get worse for us. Might as well try to gain ground when we can. Unlike your generation that just kept saying “ it is what it is” if you all would have fought the good fight in 1934,1968,1986 an onward we’d not be doing it now. 

 

the rest of what you typed seems very boomer ramblish an not quite on topic I will not address for sake of energy, time. 

 

[johnsonlmg41]

So you are fighting and donating money to ban suppressor ownership in your own state.    I guess that's all I needed to know.  Yes, if you don't understand the first paragraph and what you are doing, then there is no way to comprehend the second paragraph. None of the dates you noted were my generation, but those that I know in those times never donated money or supported banning their own stuff, this is indeed new territory that other generations have not experienced.

 

Edited February 23 by johnsonlmg41

[gamebit21]

Johnsonlmg41, 

 

     You have made an excellent point. Make no mistake gentlemen. The other “side” is much better organised, and they are determined to strip all our rights. They may seem “down” in th polls right now. That as well all know can change in an instant.

     We Dan all agree to disagree…. On thing is fo certain. We had all better get united if we ever hope to at least hold or ground at all. Let alone go on the offensive….