Greasegunner Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 (edited) I have an interesting dilemma. I contacted DTV arms to do a conversion to full auto on my LWRC ar15 type pistol. They quoted me a price and said file Form 2 and send it with the firearm. I did that and when i got ready to send it, DTV said they dont do private work only government work now. . I contacted ATF with a e mail letter asking to remove it from the registry asthe firearm is in exactly the same state as when it left LWRC.I offered pictures and even have the gun inspected. No third hole, no full auto parts , nothing done. They answered me and said no, their response is attached below. the response is in tiny print and in order to read it you may have to magnify it. Anyone have any ideas? I believe that in this case the NFA branch is incorrect Edited November 12 by Greasegunner corrrection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
United Surplus Arms Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 Once the Form 2 is approved, that firearm (in this case) is legally a post sample machine gun. 'It does not matter (to them) that the actual work has not been done. I think you are fighting an uphill battle, but good luck Worst case, you have someone else do the work and keep it as a postie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPFiveO Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 It's a battle of words. They are correct in the instance that if a firearm is converted to a machine gun that it can only be removed from the registry by being destroyed. There is no other mechanism in their system that allows removal of a machine gun from the NFRTR. Once registered it is assumed by them that it is a machine gun. At this point, you really only have one logical path to take. Find someone to complete the mill and drill work and you have a functional machine gun with value. You're only other option is to completely strip the lower and destroy it per their instructions. You can then get a new semi auto Title 1 receiver and rebuild the firearm. It sucks, but it would cost way more than a new lower to argue your case. Just ask Vollmer. He succeeded in a successful argument against "once a machine gun always a machine gun" but the difference was he didn't register the guns in question as machine guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 Yeah your only option at this point is chop the lower or have someone do the machine work for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greasegunner Posted November 12 Author Report Share Posted November 12 If I knew who could convert it , I would send it there but being an AR variant without a buffer system , it needs a "trip" like a MPX does, I would love to send this to someone who can convert it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPFiveO Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 Does LWRC offer a full auto version of this model? Do you know of any that have been converted? Some designs don't lend themselves to simple conversions. The Olympic Arms OA-93 is a good example. I have a C2 buddy that I work with on projects. He was one of the first to make trips for the Sig MPX and MCX. If anyone could do it he could. But we'd need to see that it's been done before with some success. I'm not even sure which model you are working with. If I understand correctly you need something set up similar to the Daewoo with their shortened carriers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greasegunner Posted November 12 Author Report Share Posted November 12 LWRC does have a Full Auto Version but they are very hush hush about it. they wont talk to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPFiveO Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 Well, if you can find pictures or dimensions, or if you can find someone who owns one we'd be miles ahead in getting it done. It's not really a project that anyone would want to do from scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don. Posted November 13 Report Share Posted November 13 Leave it in the registry until you find a non-Richard Cranium to do what you need done. Hit up the boys on Weapons Guild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted November 13 Report Share Posted November 13 Let me do some checking…I might have a source on some LWRC demil lowers that I could dimension and possibly help you out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT Fish Posted November 17 Report Share Posted November 17 Im not sure which lwrc it is or what the upper looks like, but I converted a stribog after just a few beers of looking at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPFiveO Posted November 17 Report Share Posted November 17 Its an LWRC SMG45 which explains why it has no buffer tube. It looks like it would take standard M16 parts and a GI sear after milling and drilling. There's a hood of some sort that sits on top of the disconnector and I'm not sure what it's purpose is. Parts diagrams and photos of internals are scarce. Does anyone know what the trip for the sear even looks like? Or how it's held in place? Also, after reading up on the dismal performance of the LWRC SMG45 I'm not sure it would be the best choice for a post sample conversion. And, they've been discontinued but they will still work on them. That blocks the path of getting a factory replacement receiver. I have my doubts that they'd service a converted gun for liability reasons. Then there's the fact that it retailed for something like $3000 so I can see why some C2's would be hesitant to work on it. They might get blamed for poor function, trigger slap or parts breakage, which they already do according to a lot of unhappy customers. No wonder it was discontinued. It might be desirable as a parts kit to someone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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