Mark Shaver Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 (edited) JCB Drop-in Auto Sear, used but good condition. This sear is all steel, no aluminum! These rarely come up for sale, one of the hardest NFA pieces to get. Manufactured by John Benjamin out of Portland Oregon. You can legally put this in to nearly any AR 15 style firearm and shoot full Auto. Was part of my deceased brothers collection, who was an FFL here in Oregon! Buyer pays any state tax wherever I ship to. I'll pay the shipping to the FFL of your choice. Do not miss out on this deal. It is registered with the NFA on a Form 5. $40,000 SPF Mark Shaver 541-288-3445 mshaver3006@gmail.com Edited June 27 by Mark Shaver Forgot price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brennon272 Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 I’ll take this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgunguy Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 I'll take it. PM sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHollow Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 (edited) Don’t get too excited. The seller joined the forum 7 hours before this amazingly cheap listing. Not saying he ain’t legit. But drive carefully. Edited June 23 by HHollow 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHOOT4FUN Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 I agree with HHollow, Do your due homework before sending funds. NFA sales.com also always has a red cloth background. NFA sales are legit but make sure pics were not copied from their website from a previous sale. If its Legit, you are getting a deal. My friend gave $44,000 around 6 months ago for a DIAS. Good luck and i hope everything is legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircularSquare88 Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 Name, number and state all check out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brennon272 Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 Seller miraculously took a phone call and completed a sale to an “ffl” within the 15 seconds it took me to type out “I’ll take it” after I saw it appear on sturm. Told me to kick rocks. Wild times we are in. Guy is either a fake or no one honors “I’ll take it” anymore. 3rd time that’s happened to me in the past 90 days on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank I Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 You can usually tell when something's price is under market value by the speed at which it sells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Shaver Posted June 24 Author Report Share Posted June 24 14 hours ago, flgunguy said: I'll take it. PM sent. Hi is this Tom, the deal with the FFL in Florida fell thru, because he didn't want to follow the law and pay the sales tax on my item for the state in which he lives, he also wanted the serial number before we completed the needed form! So, if you're still interested in the auto sear it's still for sale. Sincerely, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Shaver Posted June 24 Author Report Share Posted June 24 9 hours ago, brennon272 said: Seller miraculously took a phone call and completed a sale to an “ffl” within the 15 seconds it took me to type out “I’ll take it” after I saw it appear on sturm. Told me to kick rocks. Wild times we are in. Guy is either a fake or no one honors “I’ll take it” anymore. 3rd time that’s happened to me in the past 90 days on this forum. Dear sir, regardless of what you said about me on the website, I've never sold on it before, I am a novice at this process and I inherited this from my deceased brother who was an FFL here in Oregon! But, I have no ill will towards you for what you've said about me! I ended up not selling the auto sear to the FFL in Florida because he wanted to skirt the law of paying the sales tax that is required even if you purchase something online! So, you see, I'm a law abiding citizen! If you're still interested in the auto sear, you can message me on the website! If you feel I've offended you, I'm truly sorry! Sincerely, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawfish1678 Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 Oregon has interstate sales tax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshNC Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mark Shaver said: Dear sir, regardless of what you said about me on the website, I've never sold on it before, I am a novice at this process and I inherited this from my deceased brother who was an FFL here in Oregon! But, I have no ill will towards you for what you've said about me! I ended up not selling the auto sear to the FFL in Florida because he wanted to skirt the law of paying the sales tax that is required even if you purchase something online! So, you see, I'm a law abiding citizen! If you're still interested in the auto sear, you can message me on the website! If you feel I've offended you, I'm truly sorry! Sincerely, Mark An FFL is a business, should be tax exempt, and not required to pay sales tax. Also if two parties are interstate, afaik there is no requirement for a seller to collect sales tax for the recipient state. How would you even pay it on his behalf? Edited June 24 by JoshNC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGAmmo Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 (edited) Oregon has no sales tax at all, one of just a handful of states that do not. Even if they did, it would not matter, because tax would be due in state of delivery (Florida), however a private seller or small business would not have to collect and remit sales tax unless they have economic nexus (defined by 200 sales or $100,000 in total sales in the last year to that state) and already registered for a sales tax permit in that state...I don't chime in on stuff like this very often but it sounds very very fishy. 40K for a steel RDAIS is a very good deal these days, not outside of the realistic range, but at the bottom so a very good deal. That said, a bumpy transaction might be ahead for someone on this even if it is legit because the seller does not seem to know what they are doing. IMO a bumpy/risky transactions isn't worth saving 10%, but that is just my opinion. Also "NFA on a Form 5" ??? That does not sound right either. Edited June 24 by SGAmmo my typical typos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgunguy Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 Form 5 makes sense, as it transferred from his deceased brother tax free to him, via the Form 5. Then the buyer would have to get the seller to submit a Form 4 with $200 tax. I agree though, at 10% under current market value, this is a very very bumpy road. May not be worth it. Not sure the age of the seller, but if a death occurs during transfer you might as well kiss your $40k goodbye. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allotrope Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 I would think a JCB RDIAS would be north of $50 - $55k usually 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasd853 Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 Be very very careful….. OP’s replies are eerily similar to any halfway decent scammer I have ran across. They are just close enough to how someone would actually speak that it can be easily glanced over. Go back and read his replies and tell me who you know that talks like that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Zeek Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 (edited) So the form 5 part makes sense - in the short time that I've been an SOT, I've handled several form 5 estate transfers in my law practice for clients. But - I've been an Ebay seller for many years on high value stuff (rare coins, gold, silver, etc) and I agree completely with Nicholasd853's assessment. The syntax, grammar, and sentence structure all scream 'scammer' to me. Edited June 24 by Uncle Zeek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshNC Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Nicholasd853 said: Be very very careful….. OP’s replies are eerily similar to any halfway decent scammer I have ran across. They are just close enough to how someone would actually speak that it can be easily glanced over. Go back and read his replies and tell me who you know that talks like that? Now that you mention it, I totally agree with you. Very very fishy. This guy reeks of a scammer. Edited June 24 by JoshNC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawfish1678 Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 It’s a little suspicious that a person just signed up and list’s a higher ticketed item. Then the item is well below market value. That was a red flag for me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall Pine Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 How about some good, high resolution proof of life pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Baron Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 Has anybody done business with him before? Get some references. If he has none probably too good to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allotrope Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 I have seen scammers on this website use real people’s names, contacts, etc. It is possible that the real Mark has no idea this is happening. In either case my condolences to the family of the deceased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Zeek Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 3 hours ago, Mark Shaver said: Hi is this Tom, the deal with the FFL in Florida fell thru, because he didn't want to follow the law and pay the sales tax on my item for the state in which he lives, he also wanted the serial number before we completed the needed form! So, if you're still interested in the auto sear it's still for sale. Sincerely, Mark Any FFL is going to want the serial number of an NFA firearm being purchased - if I'm buying from someone who owns a gun on a form 4 or form 5, you better believe that I want to see a copy of the form showing that the serial number, owner name, etc all match up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eMGunslinger Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 This thread went exactly as expected and no one should be surprised at all. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshNC Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 44 minutes ago, allotrope said: I have seen scammers on this website use real people’s names, contacts, etc. It is possible that the real Mark has no idea this is happening. In either case my condolences to the family of the deceased. They very frequently use other people’s identities, complete with photo of a driver’s license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawfish1678 Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 21 minutes ago, Uncle Zeek said: Any FFL is going to want the serial number of an NFA firearm being purchased - if I'm buying from someone who owns a gun on a form 4 or form 5, you better believe that I want to see a copy of the form showing that the serial number, owner name, etc all match up. I agree. I have an FFL but not an SOT3. Why all of my machineguns are on a form4. Thank you to everyone who has posted on this so far, for the intel and what to keep an eye out for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank I Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 How does an individual collect sales tax? Refused the serial number? Hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall Pine Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 OP last visited 5 hrs ago so he must be aware of the concerns here. Yet no reply. This also speaks volumes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okrana Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 I have found that saying that I have a friend,cousin,acquanitance,etc/ very near to sellers location and who can inspect items, usually scares away scammers. The ones that say they do not feel safe meeting someone unknown to show the item,REALLY fly away when the suggestion is made to meet at, say, the police station. Just my 2 cents. okrana 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxfaxdude Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 (edited) 10 hours ago, allotrope said: I have seen scammers on this website use real people’s names, contacts, etc. It is possible that the real Mark has no idea this is happening. In either case my condolences to the family of the deceased. About 2 years ago someone hacked my Sturm account and was selling multiple NFA items using my name for several hours before it was caught -- it does happen! Edited June 25 by maxfaxdude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammythedwarf Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 (edited) Someone once made the recommendation fly out to see the product before investing in it. It's better to spend <$500 than lose >$40,000. I agree. SAMMY! Edited June 25 by sammythedwarf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Shaver Posted June 27 Author Report Share Posted June 27 The sale is in the works! Sorry! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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