Future of NFA ACT

[gamebit21]

An interesting you tube review of an NFA Article. Just food for thought….

 

WHAT IS POSSIBLE??

     **** For all the NAY SAYERS Think about Roe VS. Wade Repeal and back to the states. Also read these 2 quotes by intelligent industry experts before watching the YouTube link….

“The telephone has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us." (Western Union internal memo, 1876)

"There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in their home." (Ken Olsen, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_f0MJUVI5k

[Chef]

What are you trying to say? That you think the NFA will go away?
I'm going to say upfront that I'm not going to watch the video. Youtube (or ticktock or instagram whatever) videos are just people's opinions expressed in video format. They have no more legitimacy than I do typing out my opinions.
 

[United Surplus Arms]

If I could predict the future, I wouldn't need my day job lol.

[Got Uzi]

Ah yes another YouTube university expert telling us how things are wrong and they will find a way around it. 

[StrangeRanger]

Gun owners are a minority.  This is especially true of machine gun owners.

Repealing the NFA, the Hughes Amendment or GCA68 requires Congressional action

It takes 60 votes for anything to pass the Senate.

There are not currently or in any imaginable near future 60 Senators willing to face the public pushback they would receive as a result of voting for repeal

[johnsonlmg41]

Pretty tough to overturn the NFA since 95% of the people even here have no idea about the legal concepts/origins of the NFA and generally have a tough time filling out the forms.  The utube guy has 2.75 million subscribers who are FAR less educated than people here. 

It took 50 years to overturn roe vs. wade.  Translation....it took 50 years to assemble 5 competent attorneys at the highest level to correctly interpret the legal basis used originally was wrong, based on the constitution.  The odds of assembling  majorities of congress people to overturn existing law that actually is constitutional, is extremely unlikely.  Even if that's possible, by then, most states will have banned lead bullets and magazines over 5 rounds.

I can see a path to removing suppressors since they are not firearms, but that's pretty insignificant in the big picture.  Based on the brace rules there are no SBR's except for the few of us that bother anymore.  Every brace is a stock and every stock is a brace.  A hook or velcro strap is not a defining feature of one or the other. 

[MPFiveO]

Politicians almost never repeal taxes nor do they ever restore rights once taken away. There are thousands of firearms laws on the books and every single one says, "You can't do that or you'll go to jail because we said so." Legislators are people who make laws, rules that we have to go by. They're not in the business of giving away freedom because there's no money in that. When they pass a law they enforce it with jail time and fines. That makes money for them.  They really don't care about your constitution or your freedom. It's an inconvenience to them.

I say this hoping that I'm completely wrong and that they completely repeal the 1934 NFA and the Hughes Amendment. Nothing would make me happier. But, I've watched them chip away enough rights in my lifetime to fill a gravel pit with the shards of former freedoms.

[Don.]

I won’t waste my time on clickbait.  I will, however, say don’t hold your breath.  NFA is here to stay. 

[inertord]

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Edited April 5 by inertord

[WESO]

Repeal is not necessary. No reason Treasury cannot declare another amnesty. 30 days each month for the next 100 years

[JoshNC]

It could absolutely go away with the right legal team and if the right cases were brought to trial.

In my lay opinion as a non-attorney who stayed in a Holiday Inn last night, it needs a tiered approach. 
 

We need to focus on lawsuits to get favorable court rulings against most of the 68 GCA, 925(d)(3), 922(r), then go after 922(o). Heller, McDonald, and now Bruen really give the matter the legal teeth we need to crush all these bullshit unconstitutional gun laws.

 

Court cases make for permanent case law and have the benefit that they remove the duty from our politicians. 

 

Start with sporting clause. That’s the most important piece to go. There is nothing about sporting in the constitution. Simultaneously go after SBR, SBS, AOW, get them removed from NFA purview. Then attack the NFA tax and approval process. Next, go after 922(o). 

 

Go after the sporting clause. Submit a Form-6 application to import a European AR15 Rifle. When denied, sue ATF on the grounds that the sporting clause is unconstitutional because the second amendment has nothing to do with sporting arms. Take two identical rifles, one imported, one domestically made. How can the state argue its case that one can’t be imported when the other is available over the counter in any gun shop in the US?  Argue that US made ARs are widely available, in common use. 

 

Go after sbr, sbs, and aow to remove them from NFA regulation. Argue that braces are used in a way that circumvents SBR/SBS registration. As such there millions of unregistered SBRs in circulation, which means they are in common use. Additionally, show a 14.5” barrel colt 6921 SBR and a 16.1” barrel 6920. Argue that one takes a year for approval, the other goes home the same day it’s purchased. Same rifle. Neither is more dangerous than the other. They are identical. It fails criteria of so many prior court decisions.  Same with angled fore grips for pistols, they are identical functionally to an aow.

 

Go after the provision of the 68 GCA restricting sales of title-2 firearms to dealers, LE, and gov. Take two identical SBRs, SBSs, and silencers, one group imported, one group domestically made. One legal to own by regular citizens, the other only by dealers, LE, and gov. 

 

Go after the NFA transfer tax. The history of the tax was to make the items too expensive for the average man. Taxing a right is unconstitutional. Poll tax is illegal. I think it could won on those grounds.

Go after 922(o). There is absolutely nothing about the MG ban that is historically fitting with the intent of the constitution. It’s ripe to make it go away. 

Edited April 6 by JoshNC

[huggytree]

Supreme Court has declined to say you have the right to a AR15 multiple times.  Yet you think repeal of nfa is possible?

 

 

[Mark2]

Since the 1960’s I have been hearing how the NFA is going to go away. BTW the NFA Act turns 91 years old this year ……..

[JoshNC]

23 hours ago, huggytree said:

Supreme Court has declined to say you have the right to a AR15 multiple times.  Yet you think repeal of nfa is possible?

 

 

It’s going to take the right court cases, but yes I think we have a shot. 

[abody71]

There is a better chance the tax stamp will be updated to reflect the inflation of 91 years.

[United Surplus Arms]

45 minutes ago, abody71 said:

There is a better chance the tax stamp will be updated to reflect the inflation of 91 years.

 

My humble opinion is that the opposite will happen - they will go down in price.

[chappy]

4 hours ago, abody71 said:

There is a better chance the tax stamp will be updated to reflect the inflation of 91 years.

Computer for inflation that would be $4,700+. Gladly paid if I could get a new select fire,.... the right gun. 

[MPFiveO]

13 minutes ago, chappy said:

4 hours ago, abody71 said:

There is a better chance the tax stamp will be updated to reflect the inflation of 91 years.

Computer for inflation that would be $4,700+. Gladly paid if I could get a new select fire,.... the right gun. 

You realize that would cover all NFA, not just new machine guns. So yeah, great, you can pay for the stamp and convert your new FN M249S but then the stamp for the suppressor will cost you another $4700... Every suppressor and SBR would be another $4700 tax stamp. That would shrink the NFA community down to a few hundred very wealthy people that could afford multiple tax stamps at that rate. It would also likely put many manufacturers of suppressors and SBR's out of business.

Be careful what you wish for...

Oh, and by the way, you can get your Class 2 or Class 3 license, pay your SOT and ITAR fees for less than $4700 and convert or buy anything you want, so why would you wish an increase on the cost of a tax stamp on anyone? That just sounds idiotic.

[JoshNC]

If anything I would see the tax ruled unconstitutional and to go away if challenged in court. 

[Side Arm Sams]

9 hours ago, abody71 said:

There is a better chance the tax stamp will be updated to reflect the inflation of 91 years.

Truth be told there! Keeping poking the bear and they'll take a path of least resistance. And that would be the path to least resistance opposed to surrendering your machine gun etc. But repeal the NFA Act....better pass the Kool-aid for that one. My 2 cents.

[abody71]

Just think of the lost value of the Machine guns you own now.

[Michael_Westen]

From what I have read it looks like there is a very good chance of removing SBR's from the NFA.

[United Surplus Arms]

2 hours ago, Michael_Westen said:

From what I have read it looks like there is a very good chance of removing SBR's from the NFA.

That makes sense and I hope you’re right. Also suppressors would be great. 

[JoshNC]

On 4/8/2025 at 9:30 AM, abody71 said:

Just think of the lost value of the Machine guns you own now.

Wouldn’t bother me at all. First, the constitution is more important than the value of my machineguns. Second, I am certain we would all add many more interesting items to our collections.

Edited April 11 by JoshNC

[Chef]

Wouldn't bother me either.

I bought mine to have and to enjoy, not as investment vehicles. And I intend to keep them until I take my long dirt nap.
So if the registry was open, I'd be adding to my collection, not worrying about the value of what I already have.
In fact, I'd actually welcome the devaluation so I wouldn't have to worry about them being stolen as much. If they were not valuable anymore, then no one would target me for burglary, and if they did get stolen, they would be easily (and inexpensively) replaced.

[huggytree]

I think there’s a chance ar15 a get added to the nfa someday.  If and when they ban them it’s a way to not confiscate 10 million of them.  I think it’s better odds the nfa grows vs subtracts.  There will be a day that Dems control government again and a couple squishy repubs join them(as they always do)

 

Edited Sunday at 02:15 PM by huggytree

[riflejunky]

2 hours ago, huggytree said:

I think there’s a chance ar15 a get added to the nfa someday.  If and when they ban them it’s a way to not confiscate 10 million of them.  I think it’s better odds the nfa grows vs subtracts.  There will be a day that Dems control government again and a couple squishy repubs join them(as they always do)

 

I remember seeing this as a Joe Biden proposal before the 2020 election but I have not been able to find a reference to the position so I am guessing it did not gain traction or was opposed by his sponsors in the gun ban lobby.

[huggytree]

It’s the logical next step along with banning new production 

limiting ammo purchases is one im shocked they haven’t pushed much.  Guns worthless w no ammo.  Limit to 10 rounds a month 

 

people who think nfa will end are delusional .  Once you lose a right you don’t get it back

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 05:31 PM by huggytree

[abody71]

2 hours ago, huggytree said:

It’s the logical next step along with banning new production 

limiting ammo purchases is one im shocked they haven’t pushed much.  Guns worthless w no ammo.  Limit to 10 rounds a month 

 

people who think nfa will end are delusional .  Once you lose a right you don’t get it back

 

Not as long as reloading isn't outlawed

[huggytree]

They would eliminate i gun powder at the same time   

 

Edited Sunday at 08:17 PM by huggytree

[MPFiveO]

2 hours ago, huggytree said:

people who think nfa will end are delusional .  Once you lose a right you don’t get it back

I said pretty much the same thing in my previous post, the sixth response to the OP. I can name only one ban out of dozens that's gone away and that was the 1994-2004 AW ban. Apparently they realized that banning features like flash hiders, bayonet lugs, and pistol grips didn't really have much of an effect on crime. Otherwise, let's look at what we've lost due to regulation of a right protected by the Second Amendment, one that clearly states "shall not be infringed"...

1934 NFA

1968 GCA

1986 FOPA

1989 import assault rifle ban

1994 Ban on steel core 7.62x39

1994 Ban on Chinese guns and all ammo

1994 assault weapons and magazine ban

2014 ban on Russian guns

2014 Ban on 5.45 steel core ammo

2021 Ban on Russian ammo

I know I probably missed a few others but those are the highlights. I'm hopefully optimistic that we'll one day again see imports of affordable Chinese and Russian guns and ammo, but I'm not going to hold my breath. THEY don't want US to have guns and ammo. THEY don't want US to have magazines that hold as much as THEIRS. Gun control has nothing to do with controlling guns. I'm fine with those believing that we'll get out rights back one day, just like I'm fine with people believing they are the opposite gender. We have the unique gift of being able to believe anything we want to, but that doesn't mean it's true. If Democrats had been the majority in 2004 we'd still be living in 1994 conditions. Think about that for a minute...

THEY don't want to give back any ground they've taken.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chef]

6 hours ago, huggytree said:

I think there’s a chance ar15 a get added to the nfa someday.  If and when they ban them it’s a way to not confiscate 10 million of them.  I think it’s better odds the nfa grows vs subtracts.  There will be a day that Dems control government again and a couple squishy repubs join them(as they always do)

 

If (when) AR15 type rifles are re-classified as NFA items and needing to be registered as such, they will still be semi-auto only. They won't be allowed to be converted to select fire and re-classified as machine guns.

[huggytree]

Correct 

[gamebit21]

     Yes I freely admit there is the Ahole factory when dealing with liberals and politicians. Understate even Trumps hearing protection act was de railed with the Vegas Shooter scenario. 
     Just when progress can be made on these firearm topics out from the winds another convenient “disaster” to de railed everything. I do agree with what others have said. It seemed our rights just slip away….

     Inevitably, some future civilisation disasters whether naturally occurring or whenever is really the only reset that will probably change things. I mean unfortunately as fast as Trunk is moving, “The System” is just dragging process down. 
     I mean it will be forever before they get to the BATFE, AFT as Biden says, to actually do some reforms. Other than that, it is just anyone’s guess as to what will happen. 
     I am glad we at least had some civil discussions though….