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I had quite a few flip too but doubt some of the are now transferable. Sounds like a lot of FFLs tried and failed most if not all. 

I can't do the Form 4 to myself to test like some of you since my state it is not a MG friendly state.

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Have any of you noticed that now when you efile a Pre May, Post May, etc. there is a bubble that must be clicked before you continue the transfer? I have a Pre May at almost 8 days in transfer that hasn’t approved yet. I wonder if this new “Field” has something to do with it? 
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10 hours ago, Frank Iannamico said:

Just to clarify... you successfully transferred to non-SOTs on form 4s,  thirty-previously PreMay machine guns that flipped to transferable?

If so that is GOOD news  

Correct. As well as a couple of SACO M60’s that were incorrectly listed as post samples. 

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1 hour ago, damcv62 said:

Correct. As well as a couple of SACO M60’s that were incorrectly listed as post samples. 

Congrats on winning the NFA Lottery!

 

I had a pre sample come back is a post sample.:(

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21 hours ago, bigbore said:

I had a pre sample come back is a post sample.:(

How did that happen? Was it as a result of asking for info if it was transferable vs premay? Do you know by how many days it missed the mark? And what gun is it?

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2 hours ago, duza9999 said:

How did that happen? Was it as a result of asking for info if it was transferable vs premay? Do you know by how many days it missed the mark? And what gun is it?

Transfer was approved as a pre may when I got it(C prefix MP5) many moons ago.   I sold it recently as transferable.  Form 3 approved no restrictions.   A week later I got a call from the NFA branch that it was accidentally approved and I needed to supply a law or void the transfer.  I refunded the buyer, and he refused delivery.  It's back in my inventory in white with no restrictions noted.  I'll do a FOIA on it to see what's up.

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9 hours ago, bigbore said:

Transfer was approved as a pre may when I got it(C prefix MP5) many moons ago.   I sold it recently as transferable.  Form 3 approved no restrictions.   A week later I got a call from the NFA branch that it was accidentally approved and I needed to supply a law or void the transfer.  I refunded the buyer, and he refused delivery.  It's back in my inventory in white with no restrictions noted.  I'll do a FOIA on it to see what's up.

Ah, the ever reliable ATF!  No gun is really safe, and this new batch of "suddenly transferable" guns is the most endangered, but all bets are off when it comes right donw to it.

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On 6/22/2024 at 5:31 AM, damcv62 said:

Hardly. Maybe for you, I’ve had over 30 flip, and transferred via form 4’s. 

Wow.. That must have been amazing feeling. I hope mine are transferable.. I know at least one MP5 in my inventory was owned by the police. 

Doing a FOIA on few  now to see if I can get insight if they were imported for law enforcement.

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On 6/24/2024 at 8:44 AM, duza9999 said:

How did that happen? Was it as a result of asking for info if it was transferable vs premay? Do you know by how many days it missed the mark? And what gun is it?

I’ve had the same. People act like this is all rainbow and sunshine. It’s not. They are reviewing all of the guns. Stands to reason some were mistakingly listed as a premay when it was a post sample. It’s far from over and expect more changes to come. 

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The psychology behind this may be that sellers become reluctant to sell because of the potential for a negative reclassification and buyers become "gun shy" about purchasing. I'm still hoping to hear how the Morphy's reclassified MP5s faired. I wonder if Ian will be giving a follow-up Youtube video?

 

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On 5/8/2024 at 6:53 AM, Uncle Zeek said:

 

Have a client estate that may have one . . . will be rather interesting to tell the family if so.

One week processing came true. Not so much with guns actually transfering?

Effective way of getting Buyers to mistrust Dealers!

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12 hours ago, BDMERC said:

The psychology behind this may be that sellers become reluctant to sell because of the potential for a negative reclassification and buyers become "gun shy" about purchasing. I'm still hoping to hear how the Morphy's reclassified MP5s faired. I wonder if Ian will be giving a follow-up Youtube video?

 

I'll ask him when he comes to do a video at my south Florida mountaintop estate on the triple push pin HK21E?

I gamble quite bit in the C3 world, but I wouldn't touch a RR PP MP5 unless it said billistics or one or two others on it.  I'd pay more for a pre-may PP than one of the Morphys "new transferables".    It certainly has affected the marketplace IMO for some people.    

The one week transfer thing isn't really real either.  It happpened for "some people" for "some things", but never become the norm.  The  u-tuber culture lives in it's own world, but I do find comic relief there occasionally.

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Don't forget-Ian is part of the NFA-TCA so he has the "inside track" on this mess.

I too have been wondering about the Morphys guns and what happened.  Seems like things have gone radio silent over all of this lately.....and still no offical documentation/releases from AFT-NFA branch over this.

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On 6/26/2024 at 6:48 AM, Got Uzi said:

Don't forget-Ian is part of the NFA-TCA so he has the "inside track" on this mess.

I too have been wondering about the Morphys guns and what happened.  Seems like things have gone radio silent over all of this lately.....and still no offical documentation/releases from AFT-NFA branch over this.

I have a feeling the NFA-TCA got a little ahead of themselves on publicizing the changes. Pre-samples becoming transferable isn't new, but the failure to notify the public on the ATF's end is questionable. It seems like something they were trying to keep quiet for a while until Morphys wanted to move those MP5's.

Now with dealers trying to transfer a bunch of pre-samples on form 4's with no real process, I bet NFA division has been caught with their pants down.

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@Flevvy-dont say anything like that on HKPro or you’ll be lamb basted!! Jeff Foddler is one of the Mods over there and they are all tight knit circling the wagons when someone questions things about this. 

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4 hours ago, Got Uzi said:

@Flevvy-dont say anything like that on HKPro or you’ll be lamb basted!! Jeff Foddler is one of the Mods over there and they are all tight knit circling the wagons when someone questions things about this. 

Oh gosh, don't get me started. I like HK stuff as much as the next guy, but I find myself treading lightly in that community.

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Josh (or anybody with knowledge on this) did you know or have an idea that they were now transferable prior to doing the F4's?

I have looked at my eFile page and all items are with a White background, however someone posted earlier that while they thought that was an indication of that item now being transferable, it was not.

I have also sent in a signed letter to BATFE "James" asking about 1 line item (to keep it simple) "is this S/N transferable on a F4 to an individual? NOTHING back yet in 4 weeks, still hoping for an answer!

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5 hours ago, Dscheid NFA Investments said:

Josh (or anybody with knowledge on this) did you know or have an idea that they were now transferable prior to doing the F4's?

I have looked at my eFile page and all items are with a White background, however someone posted earlier that while they thought that was an indication of that item now being transferable, it was not.

I have also sent in a signed letter to BATFE "James" asking about 1 line item (to keep it simple) "is this S/N transferable on a F4 to an individual? NOTHING back yet in 4 weeks, still hoping for an answer!


The only indication was that both showed unrestricted in eForms. We have two more 416D SF and one more 552 in inventory for which we will submit eF4. We are going to also send letters re: these three, as they are for customers. The other two I mentioned belong to my partner and me. 

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On 6/13/2024 at 6:01 PM, advert said:

I have a pre sample MP5 that I bought in September of last year. When I got the form 3 last year I was surprised to see under restrictions it did not say limited to sales sample. Instead it says in red "Imported for Use by Government Agency under 26 U.S.C. 5844".

I was curious about this at the time so I did a FOIA on the gun. It was imported by HK Feb 19 1986 and the original import form says for law enforcement. It was immediately transferred to a PD on the same day and approved Feb 27 1986 . From there it appears to have stayed with the same PD for close to 30 years. On the original form 5 there is a stamp from the ATF that said " Restriction on retention and/or transfer of firearms conditionally imported: This firearm was conditionally imported under 26 U.S.C Sec 5844(1) fir government / law enforcement use only." 

after the PD it was transferred 3 times before me, each time bearing the limited to sales sample stamp, till it hit mine and switched. 

With this guns clear history it would defiantly  fall into the "criteria" that people are saying would make it transferable. 

So Today I went to the UPS store got some e fingerprints and am going to try and form 4 it to my self to see what happens. I figured with the ETF finger prints I should have an answer pretty quick. I will report back what I find. 

Still waiting on this. Guess its not going to be one of those 2 day approvals. Have no received any rejection nor approval yet. 

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On 6/28/2024 at 9:15 AM, Flevvy said:

Oh gosh, don't get me started. I like HK stuff as much as the next guy, but I find myself treading lightly in that community.

This is so true.  I was chatting on the forums with x admin all seemed friendly helpful info.  Then y admin came in and deleted all my posts and I never figured out why.  Just figured oh well not the only game in town.... glad it wasnt just me.  

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