FFL/SOT transfer to FFL/SOT on a Form 4 ??

[MP5]

If a FFL/SOT (“Transferee”) had a machine gun that was originally transferred in from another FFL/SOT (“Transferor”) on a tax paid Form 4, how would that current registrant/Transferee transfer that MG out to another FFL/SOT?  Would it just be done on a Form 3? Or ….. ????   And perhaps complicating the matter (?), the caliber box on the existing Form 4 is blank, as it came with three barrels of different calibers. 

Has anyone else had a situation like this?  (Why the original FFL/SOT to FFL/SOT transfer was done via a tax paid Form 4  - almost 30 years ago - is a bit of a mystery.) 

Any info/input appreciated.

[pstidan]

SOT to SOT always on a tax-free Form 3.  Never, ever, change anything on the existing Form 4.  Just leave it alone and go forward. 

[mattnh]

Re: the “odd/mystery” original transfer long ago

My guess is that the original F4 from the FFL/SOT was done on a F4 because the MG was held by him personally rather than in the inventory of the FFL (that would have allowed the item to transfer on a F3)…. It is also possible the original FFL/SOT didn’t know he could save 200 by using a F3 rather than a F4….  Also possible it was transferred by FFL after his sot had expired.

 

@pstidan provided good advise above

Send out on F3 and no changes using info on the F4.

Edited April 2, 2023 by mattnh

[taylorwso]

9 hours ago, MP5 said:

If a FFL/SOT (“Transferee”) had a machine gun that was originally transferred in from another FFL/SOT (“Transferor”) on a tax paid Form 4, how would that current registrant/Transferee transfer that MG out to another FFL/SOT?  Would it just be done on a Form 3? Or ….. ????   And perhaps complicating the matter (?), the caliber box on the existing Form 4 is blank, as it came with three barrels of different calibers. 

Has anyone else had a situation like this?  (Why the original FFL/SOT to FFL/SOT transfer was done via a tax paid Form 4  - almost 30 years ago - is a bit of a mystery.) 

Any info/input appreciated.

 

Is the form 4 in your name or the ffl? That's what will matter.

Sole proprietor?

If its yours and not in the business name, use a form 5 to get it into your inventory, then form 3 out.

[MP5]

49 minutes ago, taylorwso said:

Is the form 4 in your name or the ffl? That's what will matter.

Sole proprietor?

If its yours and not in the business name, use a form 5 to get it into your inventory, then form 3 out.

The Form 4 has two names on it (partnership).  The  "dba" business name of the partnership is in the "Trade Name" block 2b of the current Form 4 registration.  (But does not appear in the "Transferee Name" Block 2a.) The current Form 4 is almost 30 years old.

[Ryo]

If they are a current ffl/SOT with that NFA item it can go out on a Form 3

[reichstall]

wrong place

Edited April 19, 2023 by reichstall
wrong place