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Where do I go to get my fingerprints scanned for the new eForms 4?  UPS has fingerprint scanning as do most sheriff offices.  Wondering which fingerprinting services will be acceptable by the atf efile?

 

             R/s, Hiller..........

 

 

 

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23 hours ago, taylorwso said:

need eft file format.

right. So what fingerprint companies support this format?  UPS, sheriff office, ect.....?????

 

 

 

 

 

                                        R/s, Hiller........................................

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3 hours ago, Hiller said:

right. So what fingerprint companies support this format?  UPS, sheriff office, ect.....?????

 

 

 

 

 

                                        R/s, Hiller........................................

there is another thread about it, your going have to call the places and find out. Most dont.

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1 hour ago, Ryo said:

I wonder if the Silencer Shop Kiosks can sell the EFT file as a separate thing vs forcing the buyer to buy from that store. Definitely their streamline approach definitely will attract customers due to the ease..

you don't have to buy from their store. Any dealer thats on SS can upload any can they have into SS inventory, and the person can run the forms through SS.

I sell a lot of my private inventory to locals, who hit a button, and have SS do the form 4s.

 

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On 12/14/2021 at 6:42 PM, taylorwso said:

you don't have to buy from their store. Any dealer thats on SS can upload any can they have into SS inventory, and the person can run the forms through SS.

I sell a lot of my private inventory to locals, who hit a button, and have SS do the form 4s.

 

Oh I forgot to mention I was talking about thegetting the eft fingerprint file from the kiosk not the form. My customers need to get that file somehow. 

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12 hours ago, Ryo said:

Oh I forgot to mention I was talking about thegetting the eft fingerprint file from the kiosk not the form. My customers need to get that file somehow. 

mine as well but its becoming a pita. some states you cannot transmit that data outside of the state, so I have a a couple fingerprint shops working of getting that fix, but the atf/fbi wont get back to them.

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from ATF 

 

Good Morning,

 

 

 

An eForm 4 applicant can submit their fingerprint cards two different ways.

 

1) During the application process, an applicant can upload a valid .eft fingerprint card file on the Responsible Person train-stop. This will mean that Responsible Person will not be required to mail in fingerprint cards for that submission if the .eft file was successfully validated during the submission process.

 

2) If they do not have an .eft file to provide or they were not able to get their .eft to successfully validate, the applicant will receive a cover letter after submission that will indicate where they need to send the fingerprint cards. The cover letter and fingerprint cards must all be sent together in one packet. So, if there are multiple responsible persons found on the application, they all must consolidate their cards into one packet and submit the bundle together along with the cover letter. The address to where the fingerprint cards and cover letter need to be sent is found on the cover letter itself.

 

 

 

If the applicant submits .eft files for all responsible persons found on the application, no fingerprint cards or cover letters will need to be mailed to the NFA Division.

 

 

 

I cannot assist you with locating who can provide that service to you.

 

 

 

Have a Great Day,

 

 

 

 

 

 

Heather Huff | Firearms and Explosives Services Specialist

 

U.S. DOJ - Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

 

National Firearms Act Division - Government Support Branch

 

Office: (304) 616-4500 Fax: (304) 616-4501

 

Edited by Frank Iannamico
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22 hours ago, Frank Iannamico said:

from ATF 

 

Good Morning,

 

 

 

An eForm 4 applicant can submit their fingerprint cards two different ways.

 

1) During the application process, an applicant can upload a valid .eft fingerprint card file on the Responsible Person train-stop. This will mean that Responsible Person will not be required to mail in fingerprint cards for that submission if the .eft file was successfully validated during the submission process.

 

2) If they do not have an .eft file to provide or they were not able to get their .eft to successfully validate, the applicant will receive a cover letter after submission that will indicate where they need to send the fingerprint cards. The cover letter and fingerprint cards must all be sent together in one packet. So, if there are multiple responsible persons found on the application, they all must consolidate their cards into one packet and submit the bundle together along with the cover letter. The address to where the fingerprint cards and cover letter need to be sent is found on the cover letter itself.

 

 

 

If the applicant submits .eft files for all responsible persons found on the application, no fingerprint cards or cover letters will need to be mailed to the NFA Division.

 

 

 

I cannot assist you with locating who can provide that service to you.

 

 

 

Have a Great Day,

 

 

 

 

 

 

Heather Huff | Firearms and Explosives Services Specialist

 

U.S. DOJ - Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

 

National Firearms Act Division - Government Support Branch

 

Office: (304) 616-4500 Fax: (304) 616-4501

 

Thanx frank,

 

       I read the same thing yesterday on the atf efile site right before it crashed.  The site was working poorly then bam, it went out and is still out as of now.  Not really suprising for a goverment website.

 

 

 

 

 

                                                 R/s, Hiller..................................

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I'm working on my first efile form 4, no eft print cards, my local LE don't do it, so I'll have to mail them in, but how can I get the form to complete and process without the prints attached in an eft file?

Also,  it keeps asking for a responsible person even though I checked individual transfer, so I get an error message.

 

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3 hours ago, Bill in Bama said:

I'm working on my first efile form 4, no eft print cards, my local LE don't do it, so I'll have to mail them in, but how can I get the form to complete and process without the prints attached in an eft file?

Also,  it keeps asking for a responsible person even though I checked individual transfer, so I get an error message.

 

once you complete the forms, you will get a email with a cover letter, print it off, send it with the prints to the add on the letter.

it takes 2x first class stamps + a 20 ($1.38) to mail a 8x 10 envelope, Ive done a hundred or so.

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3 hours ago, Bill in Bama said:

Also,  it keeps asking for a responsible person even though I checked individual transfer, so I get an error message.

 

put in mr in the title, make sure emails for the eforms account match.

 

Why is the dealer not helping you?

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Dealers can buy systems that generate the eft files and electronically scan your prints. Honestly though the paper prints do not seem to delay things. 
 

the cost is quite steep with the cheapest systems being 2.5k give or take with an annual subscription fee. So most dealers will continue to just roll prints. 
 

again, either way is fine so long as they are using eforms . For note that is as is 6 months the wait will be a year again ugh

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11 hours ago, Starz26 said:

Dealers can buy systems that generate the eft files and electronically scan your prints. Honestly though the paper prints do not seem to delay things. 
 

the cost is quite steep with the cheapest systems being 2.5k give or take with an annual subscription fee. So most dealers will continue to just roll prints. 
 

again, either way is fine so long as they are using eforms . For note that is as is 6 months the wait will be a year again ugh

locally to me the print services have it figured out the eft files, 30 bucks, 10 minutes done forever. 

I dont think many retailers will invest in a machine that produces the forms yet will not generate return income.

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Most places won't give you the EFT file. They want to keep selling you copies of your fingerprints rather than giving you one copy for life. SilencerShop certainly won't give it up - they like keeping your customers in their ecosystem. If you run it through them, they charge you $25 & eforms on your own isn't that hard.

If the cheapest system is now $2.5k, that's a significant decrease from when I was looking this year and they were $4-5k. If you have enough customers, you could charge $30-50 to give them their prints on a flash drive & pay for the system fairly quickly, but many don't have the customer volume to support that.

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1 hour ago, tarh33l said:

Most places won't give you the EFT file. They want to keep selling you copies of your fingerprints rather than giving you one copy for life. SilencerShop certainly won't give it up - they like keeping your customers in their ecosystem. If you run it through them, they charge you $25 & eforms on your own isn't that hard.

If the cheapest system is now $2.5k, that's a significant decrease from when I was looking this year and they were $4-5k. If you have enough customers, you could charge $30-50 to give them their prints on a flash drive & pay for the system fairly quickly, but many don't have the customer volume to support that.

I had a customer use https://appointment.printscan.com/Appointments/ATF/AdditionalCopies 

This was done at a UPS store, they emailed the ETF file so he can use it again. The website gives locations that can generate an ETF file, not all UPS stores do it.

You cannot open the ETF file, but you can upload it on eforms.

Using manual fingerprints is still an option, you just mail them in with the letter eforms provides.    

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On 4/15/2022 at 1:00 PM, Bill in Bama said:

 

Also,  it keeps asking for a responsible person even though I checked individual transfer, so I get an error message.

 

The responsible person "train stop" is confusing, it is just to edit info on the transferee. If you look to the right you will see a small icon to click on. This allows you to add/update info on the transferee. Until you do that you can't go any further.

The "responsible person" reference is what makes it confusing. Watch the ATF video it explains that part.  

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/applications-eforms/video-tutorial-form-4 

 

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On 6/13/2022 at 10:38 AM, Frank Iannamico said:

I had a customer use https://appointment.printscan.com/Appointments/ATF/AdditionalCopies 

This was done at a UPS store, they emailed the ETF file so he can use it again. The website gives locations that can generate an ETF file, not all UPS stores do it.

You cannot open the ETF file, but you can upload it on eforms.

Using manual fingerprints is still an option, you just mail them in with the letter eforms provides.    

I did the PrintScan at a UPS store and everything was as Frank describes. The EFT file was in my email in about 5 minutes. Process was painless and E-Forms accepted the file with no issues.

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