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Hey SGT Fish, My response was not directed at you or anyone in particular. I posted the quote from Got Uzi and just wanted to add to his post, and your previous post, as to include other references to the statute quoted above. Making note of the increased approval time for OOB no law letter transfers and other forms of misconduct. If one has been in the business for 20 years or more are probably aware of a few high profile cases in which C2 manufacturers had gone into a so called gray area in their business model. That did in fact catch the attention of the ATF. They had taken several, a few hundred of the M11’s, as I understood, then cut out a small section of the receiver that included the serial numbers, and welded them in a inconspicuous place on the receiver. Then sold newly manufactured machine guns with transferable M11 serial numbers. It took someone in the NFA to notice the discrepancy. Those who purchased, these so called transformed weapons, eventually had them confiscated. The perpetrators were convicted for their actions. FFL/SOTs abusing the LE demo letter process, and most recently mentioned in the threads. One FFL/SOT abusing the OOB letter process. This kind of behavior catches the ire of the ATF. So, now they scrutinize the LE demo letter process and the OOB post sample transfer process. This leads to longer approval times, etc. i agree in that one’s business plan is nobody’s business. But some choose to push the envelope until they’re caught. This effects all of us in the business…

Just a note, if you have not seen the box in the eForm 2. If the NFA weapon has not been manufactured before by the C2 that is submitting the F2. There is an added description box. I find that helps the turn around process, especially for MGs. If one gets the pending research beforehand, then that increases the wait time.

If a Class 2, either has manufactured a replica or has a historic MG as listed in the SGT Fish post. There are no regulations that should preclude such classes. It’s up to the department if they would like such a class. There are a few manufacturers that offer such classes to LE and Military personnel. Especially, those who want their armorer certification for that weapon system. Unfortunately, there are always those who push the envelope, and today we feel the repercussions of such behavior in the industry. The ATF is very specific in the no law letter transfer arena. Make it simple, either go out of business or drop your SOT. Because of the abusers, expect longer transfer times…

It has been the understanding, that the OOB letter that accompanies each no law letter transfer can be used for those FFLs who are just wanting to drop their SOTs and are not planning on going out of business. Many of the no law letter transfers fall under this category.

Late last year, in our experience , eForm 3 transfers were at least 14 days for transferable MGs, back in Nov-December. We have an SBR transfer pending at one week. We’ll see how that goes. Could be any number of factors. Your guess is as good as anyone else’s.

You’re not the only one. Several guys out there are experiencing 30 day or more. These are no law letter OOB transfers.

I missed it. Did anyone join or listen in. The ATF is supposed to post the questions and answers soon. The stated it’ll be on their website. From what I’ve heard, there was much discussion about eForm 4 transfer wait times to individuals and trusts. Did they talk about eForm 3 transfer times? The last one outbound a few months ago was 15 days. We have one outbound filed two days ago and one inbound the was filed on March 11th. The FFL/SOT that we purchased the inbound NFA from, stated that they are waiting for some eForm 3s as far back as 02/27 of last month. Another SOT stated that he has stuff outboard pending since the beginning of the month. We checked the Form 3 approval times on the ATF Resource section online. Last update was the 1st of March. Any similar experiences out there over the last 3 or so months?

We have a Southern Tactical Galil SAR SBR built on a Tortort receiver with Galil SAR parts, except the barrel. This firearm is offered as new and unfired. It was originally purchased from Southern Tactical off the Sturmgewehr site. It was planned to be used as a Post Sample build that's is no longer planned. Something else came along. The SBR comes with one magazine and a soft case just as it arrived from Southern Tactical. eFile Form3. Priced at what we purchased it for at $1350 plus shipping. $40 gets you 2nd Day Air/insured. $1,390 shipped. Please PM if interested as I will not respond otherwise. Thank You David

We have a Spitfire SMG in very good condition with no operating issues. The first Form 3 transfer from 1974 showed the barrel as 16.5” and the next transfer from STP to STP or SOT as in the present day vernacular was in 1978, and the barrel length on the form 3 is listed as 12.5”. The barrel length was altered in the years in between. We ran a magazine through it after we obtained it and there were no issues. The weapon has been cleaned in an ultrasonic cleaning system and lubricant applied during reassembly. The Spitfire is currently on a form 3 and in our inventory. We use the eForms system, which cuts down on Form 3 approval times. If a NV resident it can transfer directly on a Form 4 if so desired. This weapon is full auto only, there is no need to fool around with the safety to shoot the weapon, one interested party did ask the question. Just put a magazine, charge it by pulling the bolt back, so that it locks behind the sear and pull the trigger. This Spitfire is quite controllable. The rate of fire is about that of an M1-M1A1 TSMG, there is a buffer currently between the bolt and end cap of the weapon. One may remove said buffer and the rate of fire is reduced. With the GG bolt it is a little bit heavier and it is a slower rate of fire with it in the receiver, but not as slow as a GG. Operationally, it functions as a Grease Gun, bolt rides on two guide rods with recoil springs and is F/A only. It is basically a tube type receiver like the Sten, GG and several others. It is a nice submachine gun as an entry level weapon or as a shooter for others. There are not many transferable SMGs under 10k out there. Perhaps, if you can find a aftermarket Sten MkII or sometimes there are a few Sten MkV models that are registered in the NFRTR as the model at the time of manufacture. The Spitfire carbine was originally manufactured in the 1960s by the Spitfire manufacturing company of Phoenix AZ as an open bolt semi automatic carbine. It was soon discovered that with the easy manipulation of the safety lever it could be fired in full auto. Therefore in 1968 it was deemed a MG and was put under the preview of the NFA. See Rev.Rul 68-368 in the ATF website under firearms/doc/ruling for the specifics. Some have asked if the weapon is a semi auto conversion, it is not. The weapon comes with 3 grease gun magazines and a carrying case that came with our purchase. Grease Gun complete bolt assembly included in the purchase price. Will not separate the bolt assembly from the package deal. We have the FOIA weapon’s history and we can include that with the purchase if so desired. $7,800 Shipped David

Information obtained.

Scan and email to NFAFax@atf.gov Not certain if that is still applicable.

Anyone have experience doing business with Innovative Industries? They advertise a functional NFA XM177 Moderator on their website. Anyone on the board, purchase one?

SOLD…

They were imported on Form 2s by FFL/SOTs for the most part. Look and see if you have an importer’s mark somewhere on the weapon. Most of the Pre May sales samples that have gone through our business, were imported by Inter American Import/Export Company out of Sacramento CA. There were a couple of others during that time frame. That’s what the Imported NFA Firearm means, NFA that was imported right after the 1968 Amnesty up to the May 19, 1986 post sample cut off. Sometimes the importer is listed. A FOIA request will give you the dates on the Form 2.

Done business with Steve over the years. Good dude…