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What Finger print Scanner will comply with the new E-Form 4's


HFTech

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Is this for you or your company?  The cheapest I found was a company in Fl that wanted 10k to start. Most of them the software is proprietary.

You can get them from 500 on ebay but again the software is the hangup.

Ive been telling customers to find a SS kiosk.

A ss kiosk would be the cheapest/best.

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I dont think SS is providing the files after you scan in. The only option is to use their service, which defeats the purpose of e-filing and uploading your own prints. 

I'm hoping that it will be acceptable to just scan a fingerprint card that is done manually and upload it to eforms. 

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1 hour ago, SGT Fish said:

I dont think SS is providing the files after you scan in. The only option is to use their service, which defeats the purpose of e-filing and uploading your own prints.

They will do the efile for you (if you buy or use a dealer with them), which will include the fingerprints.

1 hour ago, SGT Fish said:

I'm hoping that it will be acceptable to just scan a fingerprint card that is done manually and upload it to eforms. 

I don't think that's going to work, its has been stated it must be the standard eft file. There are services you use regular cards to get a eft file. The problem with the eft file is in some states it cannot be shared, and the proprietary software to generate the file

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19 minutes ago, HFTech said:

Ok Folks. I found out that all anyone needs is a 500dpi print scanner that takes all 4 fingers at once, and that the software is capable of an EFT file.

are you gonna share it or keep it a secret?

Is the scanner compliant with the fbi standards, as well as the biometric data?

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20 hours ago, MEW said:

are they only accepting digital prints with the new efile?? my last form 1 I sent in self done print cards without an issue.

Answer From the ATF

Good Morning,

 

A Form 4 applicant can submit their fingerprint cards two different ways.

1) During the application process, an applicant can upload a valid .eft fingerprint card file on the Responsible Person train-stop. This will mean that Responsible Person will not be required to mail in fingerprint cards for that submission if the .eft file was successfully validated during the submission process.

2) If they do not have an .eft file to provide or they were not able to get their .eft to successfully validate, the applicant will receive a cover letter after submission that will indicate where they need to send the fingerprint cards. The cover letter and fingerprint cards must all be sent together in one packet. So, if there are multiple responsible persons found on the application, they all must consolidate their cards into one packet and submit the bundle together along with the cover letter. The address to where the fingerprint cards and cover letter need to be sent is found on the cover letter itself.

 

If the applicant submits .eft files for all responsible persons found on the application, no fingerprint cards or cover letters will need to be mailed to the NFA Division.

 

I cannot assist you with locating who can provide that service to you.

 

Have a Great Day,

 

 

Heather Huff | Firearms and Explosives Services Specialist

U.S. DOJ - Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

National Firearms Act Division - Government Support Branch

Office: (304) 616-4500 Fax: (304) 616-4501

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Ok Folks. For those Interested, I did purchase an FBi Approved Scanner & Software from a Very Legitimate Co. It does require an FBI Approved Printer to send in the prints with the cover letter, which is E-mailed to you once the Form is submitted. A Bit to learn on how it works, but it is real nice.

I have already Submitted x3 transfers and I am currently waiting for their Approvals. The Scanner is Awesome to say the least. It allows you to watch the print as it is being rolled and you can accept or retake it as you wish. The Lady is named Michelle. Tell her Hall's Firearms Referred you.

The Sight is Print-Scan. You can call them @ Office: 631.782.1700.

Thanks everyone.

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12 hours ago, HFTech said:

 It does require an FBI Approved Printer to send in the prints with the cover letter, which is E-mailed to you once the Form is submitted. A Bit to learn on how it works, but it is real nice.

the whole point is for electronic prints, not paper, hell you can smash your own prints for free.

 

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5 hours ago, taylorwso said:

the whole point is for electronic prints, not paper, hell you can smash your own prints for free.

 

Very true.. I did my own prints before. Just have to know the rules.of doing them properly.

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On 2/2/2022 at 9:29 AM, taylorwso said:

the whole point is for electronic prints, not paper, hell you can smash your own prints for free.

 

When ATF E-mails you, it clearly states you must include the EFT Print cards with the Cover letter. They use it to verify the prints you submit electronically.

This software allows EFT Files to be transferred to ATF.

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12 hours ago, HFTech said:

When ATF E-mails you, it clearly states you must include the EFT Print cards with the Cover letter. They use it to verify the prints you submit electronically.

This software allows EFT Files to be transferred to ATF.

You realize the cover letter has x's that indicate paper prints are not required.

All submitted eforms send the cover letter, even if you use eft file.

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First quotes I got for scanner + software were $4500+, and with yearly service fees at 10% of that. Company called Bayometric was at SHOT with a show special - $2800 for the Realscan G10 and their software. They will support software updates free and don't require service. I decided to wait and see what other solutions develop, but if you're doing a good number of fingerprints, the $2800 is quite attractive.

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On 2/2/2022 at 9:05 PM, HFTech said:

 

I have already Submitted x3 transfers and I am currently waiting for their Approvals. The Scanner is Awesome to say the least. It allows you to watch the print as it is being rolled and you can accept or retake it as you wish. The Lady is named Michelle. Tell her Hall's Firearms Referred you.

The Sight is Print-Scan. You can call them @ Office: 631.782.1700.

 

What's the price for the scanner and software?

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