biminimike Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 I am interested in getting a beltfed host to run with a sear. I want an "'E'" gun so i can swap between 5.56 and 7.62. Michaels Machine's reviews seem to be split. Some people rave about the guns while others have said the guns come with problems and don't run properly. Carlos at beltfed precison products also makes the rifles but I have found limited reviews on his build. What are peoples experiences with these companies? TSC will only build it on a proper parts kit and hk91, way more than i want to spend on a clone/host gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 I have had multiple from MM, including an E-K. Always ran perfect, both calibers. My experiences with Mike are ALL positive, above and beyond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike todd Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 I agree with NICK ! while not a fan of any of the 21's I have never had someone ask about a fix for any of mikes work and it looks like a piece of art. that 7.62 gun is BRUTAL! 9 rounds and I was DONE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pstidan Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 WARNING HK21 WARNING HK21 WARNING HK21 WARNING As Mike Todd pointed out above, the recoil of an HK21 is extreme. About ten years ago while shooting a short burst from my HK21, the retina on my right eye detached. I needed emergency retina surgery to not permanently lose sight in my right eye. And then six months later I needed cataract surgery in that eye. The surgeons and eye doctors I encountered during this saga all stated that heavy recoil shoulder fired weapons shake you head violently and should be avoided at all cost. This is especially true if the shooter is near sighted. Be warned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JECIII Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 I also agree mike is way to go. I've had one for about 10 years now. Any problems he has always stood by his work. His turn around time is always good. The other thing is hes been making them for over a decade and still making them so that should tell you something. How many hk builders last only a year or 2 or have come and gone in a decade. And like someone said I've never heard of someone sending one of Mike's guns to someone else.for repair quite the opposite he usually fixes others work. Btw you'll love the 21 or 23. Personally. FU@K Rambo its hard to beat a 21e it is a little pricey on ammo. Mine runs fine on that crappy wolf 308. Spend the cash and get an extra barrel you'll need it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
har1690 Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 I'm in for MM as well. I have the 21e/23e combo for 8 years now and have shot plenty plenty plenty and love the gun. Get one! He always answers the phone and has all the goodies to go with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benaj85 Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 I have a recent Bpp23ek. Wait time was only 4 months and gun runs well! I had a couple issues with my pack and housing but Carlos worked through it with me. I would recommend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippers Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 Yes, I made an account just to post this. My story is on other forums though, including the old subguns, arf, and m4c. While there are clearly some working examples of the mm21/23, it seems like most of the good ones are from back when Gerard was still alive. I purchased a mm23e from Mike Otte in August, 2016. It was delivered to me in early 2017, more than three months after the quoted build time, and arrived with numerous build quality issues including poor welds, a warped cage, and a severely canted front sight. The front sight was so far off that the gun could not be zeroed even with the rear sight at the maximum adjustment to one side. It also did not reliably cycle any of my ammunition. This included lc m885, imi m193, imi m885, cbc 62gr, wolf gold, and federal ae. Some issue with the feed mechanism or receiver would cause a casing to get crunched every few rounds, which would distort the case neck and bend the bullet out of alignment, so that it would then jam once pushed into the chamber. These malfunctions were very difficult to resolve, almost always requiring the barrel to be pulled and a pair of pliers to pull the live round out of the chamber. From early 2017 through January 2018 it went back to him multiple times, with none of the issues resolved. I asked for a refund several times over the course of this saga, and was always told that nobody else had ever requested a refund, so he wouldn't give me one. I also requested several times to try a different feed mechanism, which he never would agree to. My business partner ran into him at shot show in 2018 only to find him talking smack about me to a couple AZ LE. I was not at the show. An argument between my business partner and Otte resulted in Otte admitting that his belt fed guns are sourced out, and that it is possible they made an error when building mine. I have a video recording of this. After the show he sent me an email talking crap about my business partner, but finally offered to replace the receiver. 7 months later he sent me the new receiver, which corrected the canted front sight and warped cage. However, the gun still would not cycle, with the same crunching issue as before. Otte, as usual, did not believe me, so I started recording every single session with the gun. This included showing the ammo being linked, the ammo types with the head stamps on video, and shooting it and showing all the jams. Somewhere during this testing and showing malfunctions the feed mechanism broke, with multiple pieces falling out the bottom. Since this was on camera Otte finally agreed to send me a new feed mechanism. This *finally* seemed to have resolved the issues, and the gun ran well for a couple thousand rounds. Two years, $15,000 (extra barrels, accessories), plus many thousands of rounds of ammo and numerous shipping fees sending the gun back and forth....not an ideal experience. I sold the gun to someone who didn't want to wait for one, and less than 3 months later I saw that he was selling it on the forums, except that potential buyers would have to wait to get it because it was once again back with Otte for "maintenance." There's a huge amount of support for mm online...but if you start digging you'll see that there are plenty of bad experiences as well. Good luck with your decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshNC Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 I witnessed Slippers’ MM23E tribulations first hand. I had always wanted one as a sear host. After his experience, no way. I do know of two others with a total of three early MM23E that function perfectly. Early guns (Gerard Miller builds, may he Rest In Peace) seem to work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
har1690 Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 Just a real pisser to hear this. Like I stated My .308/.223 combo is battle field ready. My MM is 100% perfect, and could not be happier. If one has the opportunity to buy one of MM guns, try it first (if possible) once I sell mine, the new owner will be happy happy happy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhouston8 Posted June 5, 2020 Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 I've had a MM23e/21E for 10 years. Had some growing pains like broken extractor, buffer gone bad, or whatnot. Gun has had a bunch of rounds thru it . I shot it last weekend- 500 rnds. Shot great. I have several MM guns- 51, 11k, others and they are all very nice. Mike has always answered my calls and has serviced the gun without fail when needed. He does excellent work and his knowledge of German gunsmithing is extensive. Ill be at OFAST next month with the gun (line spot 43,44,45) which is sure to see a LOT of action- you are free to drop by and shoot it if you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson184 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Listened to a bunch of HK custom gun builders and shops that do custom HK work... and I suggest you call around and do the same. Made it a real easy decision for me to go with Carlos at BPP. Delivered on time with a BPP23E that has run flawlessly. Can't say enough good stuff about the work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaels Machines Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Someone pointed this thread out to me....what a joke. His user name pretty much sums him up. I'm always available for the real story. MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelaughingswordfish Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 I bought a mm21, along with a mm23e conversion kit, from MM a few years ago and couldn't be happier. To date, I've shot about 5k of 5.56 and 1k of 7.62 with ZERO issues. The build quality is amazing and second to none IMO...if I were to buy another one, it would be from MM no question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhouston8 Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 I'd be willing to bet there are 10:1 MM 21e out in the wild vs. BPP. Seen bunch of MMs out in the field. Never seen a BPP. The market speaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralPurpose Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 On 6/22/2020 at 11:47 AM, Michaels Machines said: Someone pointed this thread out to me....what a joke. His user name pretty much sums him up. I'm always available for the real story. MM Slippers posted a detailed account of his side of the story. Your entire response says...nothing. If you truly wanted to tell the "real story", you would have simply done so in your post. On the basis of that alone, Slippers comes across as a much more 'credible witness' than you have right out of the gate. Slippers has leveled a serious allegation, why not defend yourself against it? From the outside looking in, that fact that you haven't done so makes it look as though the only account of the story presented, his side, is the truth. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshNC Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 On 6/22/2020 at 0:47 PM, Michaels Machines said: Someone pointed this thread out to me....what a joke. His user name pretty much sums him up. I'm always available for the real story. MM Except that I personally witnessed this first hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhouston8 Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 Here’s me personally a couple weekends ago at Ofasts in my 2010 vintage MM23E. just one of many full box dumps that day. MM23E action vid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhouston8 Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 Here’s another run . i believe I shot 2,000 rnds thru it that day. so believe your lying eyes. Another box dump MM23E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson184 Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 Got any videos of that M60 next to it shooting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhouston8 Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 Why certainly . The stand up mount is ridiculously too high due to a Humvee riser adapter I had to weld in. I’m in the process of shortening the mount. M60 short belt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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