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Thompson - 21/28 Question

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Ladies & Gentlemen, got a question for the faithful: Properly stamped for a Navy but it has no Anchor on the Buttstock and is not wearing it's Du-Lite finish. Appears to be parkerized. Took it in trade from a smaller Village PD, and the Department had no paperwork on it, yet the 5 came back approved. I was wondering if anyone had "THE BOOK" and would be so kind as to check who originally took delivery of it from Colt-AO. 

John in NY

Serial # 7204

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Colt #7204 - Port Chester New York Police Department. 

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Bingo - that's who I got it from. Very many thanks.
Does it say the date it shipped? I'm not familiar with the book's format if it lists such.. 

 

John in NY

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Here ya go, see below....

1928 Navy #7204

Federal Laboratories Inc. 185 41st Street Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

Sales Sample for Salesman, W.C. Jamison Hillman Hotel,

Birmingham, Alabama (1 Shipped to him 9/14/33)

 

Hawkeye Protective Appliance Company (demo) Des Moines, Iowa 5/35

Port Chester, New York Police Department (form 10)

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17 hours ago, Centrifugal Arms said:

Here ya go, see below....

1928 Navy #7204

Federal Laboratories Inc. 185 41st Street Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

Sales Sample for Salesman, W.C. Jamison Hillman Hotel,

Birmingham, Alabama (1 Shipped to him 9/14/33)

 

Hawkeye Protective Appliance Company (demo) Des Moines, Iowa 5/35

Port Chester, New York Police Department (form 10)

I'm just curious......... looking at Centrifugal Arms post, it has "Form 10" in parentheses.  As a general point of discussion, how could any gun that was on a Form 10 at some point in its history, end up being transferred out of a LE agency to an SOT on a Form 5?

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If the Thompson was registered during the '68 Amnesty, it would account for the Form 10 Registration but...
How is that information included in Gordon Herigstad's book unless he had submitted a FOIA to NFA for that history, which he didn't.
I don't know if Treasury Practices back then included the factory registering a Thompson to a Police Department on a Form 10 or even if after 1935's transfer, Form 10's were still transferable (since I have it now). 

Without knowing if either W.C. Jamison or Hawkeye Protective requested a 21/28 as a sales sample it would be impossible to determine exactly when this gun was taken off the shelf and converted with it's re-Mark as a Navy gun. 

The gun apparently changed hand 3 times prior to the Port Chester Police Department received it (as per the book), but when did that happen? Before or after Nicaragua? Before or after ?

Anyway, I have that 21/28, that's been Parkerized, but I know it's never been refinished by the Port Chester Police Department. The U.S. NAVY and the *8* overstamp show the base metal so unless the Police did a scam and this is a restamp, the Parkerizing was done prior to it's conversion.

AO did have 1911's going out with a Parkerized finish. 

Thoughts?  Anyone?


 

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  I claim absolutely no expertise on the COLT THOMPSONS and variations , but have personally examined well over 250 examples in hand over the years I HAVE TRIED TO FOLLOW THIS THREAD AND JUST SEE WHERE IT GO'S BUT NOW I NEED TO KNOW, where the possibility of NICARAGUA USE enters its history?  of the more than 150 COLTS we ran thru the books ONLY one example had that provenance and it was not marked "NAVY" it was stamped 8 over 1 and then A1 followed. at the time many doubted its provenance or if there was even any known example in private hands from that small lot the marines carried over there. when GORDON was a guest and checking the inventory, it was part of the group he never touched b-4 he was asked to "leave" and all those never made his book. the term "SALES SAMPLE" as applied in the AUTO ORDNANCE LOGS and the FEDERAL LAB BOOKS from the  period we are concerned with here, does NOT mean the same thing as the term is considered by ATF or its POSITION in the registry. in the 30'S many guns were logged out at price levels that would have raised a flag at the end of the year. this was justified and considered temporary by the term "sales sample" allowing a out of channel destination for demo purposes only. 


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I make even less a claim to possessing any Colt Thompson knowledge. Port Chester PD is located in Lower Westchester County, a stone's throw from the Connecticut line. It had sat in their basement gun vault for as long as the oldest living cop still working there remembers. 

Lets just say that after the gun went to Hawkeye Protective Appliance Company (demo) Des Moines, Iowa  on 5/1935 (and they were a Thompson Dealer I discovered) , without knowing when it was registered to Port Chester, it leaves a big hole in its history. 

They had no paperwork on it ( No early Treasury Letter & no later Form 10 and I did check with the Department's Secretary for a Repair Invoice or any mention of it in any Department Weapons Log all the way back to the remaining (post-Fire) records (1963).

The 3 Ithaca Auto Burglars came from the same department and Form 5'ed to me just fine.  

And for Nicaragua, I thought all those were '28's, (which, if I'm reading History right, were all Parkerized).

Now, the Port Chester Post Office was hit repeatedly by bad guys back in the late '3o-'4o-'5o's when cash moved between the Manhattan GPO and Boston GPO via the US Mails. US Marines did escort the mail runs through Port Chester which served as a resorting station before being sent up US Route 1 north. This is all speculation on my part. 

 

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