straightgrain Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 The NFATCA filed a FOIA request in 2014 in order to ascertain an updated count of registered machine guns in the NFRTR. The initial FOIA request was rejected. The NFATCA appealed and acknowledged that because of the disparate record types, we understood that a margin of error might exist. DOJ/ATF has acted on our appeal and delivered on their promise to provide the statistics. As of February 24, 2016: Pre '86: 175,977 Sales Samples: 17,020 Restricted 922(o) ("posties"): 297,667 From ATF: "Please note that ATF utilizes customized Standard Query Language (SQL) to collect information from system databases. In the instant case, an SQL query may not capture all methods in which the requested information has been manually entered into system data fields. Thus, while each individual record is accurate, there is an inherent albeith wholly unintentional margin of error as to the aggregate statistical information requested." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pa123guns Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 That's very interesting. In the past have they ever released a number and if they did has the number changed? Particularly in regard to transferables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straightgrain Posted March 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 The last time we got a transferable number was ~10 years ago. The number, then, was just over 186k. We're losing a lot of guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pa123guns Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 3 hours ago, straightgrain said: The last time we got a transferable number was ~10 years ago. The number, then, was just over 186k. We're losing a lot of guns. Wow! That's alot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machineguntony Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) Consider that 1/3 of the US population owns guns, and there are 320,000,000 people in the US (all wiki derived numbers). Also, by some estimates, about half of all the transferables are owned by government, museums, or large businesses that would never circulate the guns to the general population. That means about 100,000,000 gun owners are sharing 100,000 transferable MGs. Ouch. Edited March 3, 2016 by Machineguntony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clc3251 Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Plus many machine-gun owners own multiple machine-guns so the number of owners of transferable machine-guns is much lower than 100,000. I mean, who owns just one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J237 Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 Does anyone know how many of the Pre-May Dealer "Keeper" samples mentioned above are HK or FN etc? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pa123guns Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 (edited) On March 3, 2016 at 2:53 PM, clc3251 said: Plus many machine-gun owners own multiple machine-guns so the number of owners of transferable machine-guns is much lower than 100,000. I mean, who owns just one? I'm guessing the number of owners is less then 25k. I agree many people own more than one plus there are those guys that with 20+. The advantage of being around during the good old days. I blame my parents, instead of toys they should have been buying me machine guns! Edited March 5, 2016 by pa123guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximized Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 The numbers are a bit more depressing when one considers that there are still some transferrables possessed by law enforcement agencies. While dealers may be able to trade some out for new posties, I suspect a large number of those guns are effectively post samples for all intents and purposes due to department policies against their sale. We'll be lucky to see those as parts kits. I wonder if anyone has any metric as to the "true transferrables"? i.e. Transferrables actually in the hands of individuals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian B Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 I am surprised there are not more post samples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 I don't believe it.... It was FAR FAR more.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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