Shortbarrelpete Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 Morning fellas, I heard about this turd of a law late in the week but haven't seen much coverage. Why? I don't own a bump stock nor do I have any plans of buying one but I still don't want them banned! What a waste of time, air, paper, and anything else going into making this law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandRHolder Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 (edited) Lets all refrain from commenting as; 1) Any pending changes HAVE NOT SOLIDIFIED AND ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND: 2) Anti-2A groups monitor the boards for our Poker Hands. We don't want them to close any potential deficiencies they might have. They'll be a time and a place to voice our opinions. Now is not the time. Edited December 2, 2018 by CandRHolder edit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortbarrelpete Posted December 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2018 I don't mean any disrespect but you sound like Nancy Pelosi..."we have to pass the bill to see what's in it" I'm just trying to gauge why this isn't a bigger issue. Keeping whatever hand you have to yourself is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMACPa Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 Curious. When "IS THE TIME" , to voice our rights ? After "the bill is past, so we can see what's in it" ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandRHolder Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, DMACPa said: Curious. When "IS THE TIME" , to voice our rights ? After "the bill is past, so we can see what's in it" ? Answer: After the Ban is Codified. Its a known fact that Anti-2A Groups monitor boards like this. This board has probable the most collective experience of NFA use, application and processes than any other. Posting Opinions or Legal Positions regarding what is possibly deficient in any pending Anti-2A Ban/Action, (including ways to defeat it), MIGHT cause a pending Ban to be shored up and modified before the finial filing. Btw, IT IS A HUGH ISSUE, Banning BStocks today will open the door to banning similar firearms related items in the future. I do NOT support ANY proposed Ban, (especially when the Technologies Branch already formally decided the device WAS NOT A MG AND WAS LEGAL). Edited December 4, 2018 by CandRHolder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrmstr Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) The BATFE has announced Discontinuance of Accessory Classifications Which means no further questionable approvals will be made. Complete weapons with the accessory attached must be submitted. The chances of getting the sample returned is slim to none. In order to stop Bumpstocks all they have to do is rescind the approval..( Similar done with drop in auto sears which were without restriction prior to 1981.) They do not need any higher authority to do the rescinding. They are waiting for public outcry which has been done. The president can only SUGGEST a rescinding. To do this it needs only be published in the federal register. Common knowledge. Edited December 12, 2018 by mstrmstr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortbarrelpete Posted December 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 Anybody read the news this week? Looks like orange hair did it, where will he strike next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khrut27Gg Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/bump-stocks Here you go, it's in the process of to be written into the CFR. Don't look like this time, they will be grandfathered as NFA. The two options listed, were to destroy the device, or turn it over to ATF. I guess not like the Striker 12...……. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandRHolder Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 On 12/4/2018 at 6:23 PM, DMACPa said: Curious. When "IS THE TIME" , to voice our rights ? After "the bill is past, so we can see what's in it" ? Now is the time. Now we know the codified language and how to legal fight it. Regardless of your thoughts god/bad about bump stocks we need to UNITE to fight the BACK DOOR TO LAW MAKING. Here's the legalese of arguing against the ban. IMHO its a rock-soild argument as we all know the a bump stock comes no where near fitting the codified Legal Definition of a Machine Gun. IF WE DON'T FIGHT THIS IT SETS A DANGEROUS PRECENT TO BAN JUST ABOUT ANY OTHER FIREARM OR FIREARM ACCESSORY. Not: I am not connected to this firm and only have seen their work published on their blogs https://blog.princelaw.com/2018/12/18/ficg-files-complaint-and-motion-for-preliminary-injunction-challenging-atfs-final-rule-on-bumpstocks/ Quote FICG Files Complaint and Motion for Preliminary Injunction Challenging ATF’s Final Rule on Bumpstocks Posted on December 18, 2018 by Prince Law Offices, P.C. Earlier today, the Department of Justice released the approved Final Rule on bumpstocks. As was expected, the Rule alters the definition of the term “machine gun” (in the regulations pertaining to the Gun Control Act and National Firearms Act) to include the following language * * * For purposes of this definition, the term “automatically” as it modifies “shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot,” means functioning as the result of a self-acting or self-regulating mechanism that allows the firing of multiple rounds through a single function of the trigger; and “single function of the trigger” means a single pull of the trigger and analogous motions. The term “machine gun” includes a bump-stock-type device, i.e., a device that allows a semi-automatic firearm to shoot more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger by harnessing the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm to which it is affixed so that the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter. As a result, Damien Guedes backed by institutional plaintiffs Firearms Policy Coalition, Inc., Firearms Policy Foundation, and the Madison Society Foundation, Inc., represented by attorneys Joshua Prince and Adam Kraut of Firearms Industry Consulting Group, filed suit against the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, Acting ATF Director Thomas E. Brandon, purported Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker, and the United States of America seeking a preliminary injunction. Among other things, the suit alleges that Matthew Whitaker lacks the authority to implement a final rule, challenges the ATF’s violations of the Administrative Procedures Act, and argues that ATF usurped its authority by rewriting the definition to a term that Congress had clearly defined. For an overview of the lawsuit, see BuzzFeed’s comprehensive article – Gun Rights Activists Are Already Suing Over Trump’s Bump Stock Ban. Individuals wishing to donate to the legal challenge may do so by contributing to the fund. If your rights have been violated by a federal administrative agency during a rulemaking proceeding or you want to file a comment in support or opposition to a notice of proposed rulemaking, contact Firearms Industry Consulting Group today to discuss YOUR rights and legal options. Firearms Industry Consulting Group® (FICG®) is a registered trademark and division of Civil Rights Defense Firm, P.C., with rights and permissions granted to Prince Law Offices, P.C. to use in this article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandRHolder Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 Quote Individuals wishing to donate to the legal challenge may do so by contributing to the fund. Everyone who care about saving their NFA legacy for future generations should pitch in a few dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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