Posted 18 August well it finally happened, someone bought a NFA item from me that has a trust and wants it transferred to it. I have zero experience with them . I am an individual, the item is on a form 4 here in Texas and he is a Texas resident. his trust is what I know as a "living trust" but NFA weapons are listed as part of the trust and mainly as assets. my question is if he is the only person in the trust that will have access and use of them while he is alive is he the only one we need to list and provide finger print cards etc for? his minor child is sole beneficiary of the trust. I am on my own with this paper work and any help/thoughts/warnings would be a BIG HELP for me so please let me know what you can. THANX MIKE I only accept postal money orders. contact me DIRECTLY before sending any funds email myoldiron@outlook.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 18 August Hi Mike, the new trust laws require any one in the trust must include fingerprints and photographs with every transfer, unless several are in the same package along with a copy of the trust. 1 person likes this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 18 August thanx for the info! would that include the future BENIFICIARY of the trust? the only OTHER person named in the trust is a minor child that is the beneficiary should he pass on. hope I get this right the first time (sigh) I only accept postal money orders. contact me DIRECTLY before sending any funds email myoldiron@outlook.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 18 August I was told anybody in the trust must be fingerprinted and photographed because they have access to the weapons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 18 August I had heard the same thing from folks that did a trust just for that reason . that way family members and select friends had the legal use of them. I wonder if there are differences in the type of trust? IE; NFA trust and "Living Trust" with nfa as assets. ? I do know all his existing NFA has the trust as the "transferee" so its the legal registered entity of the arms. What I am faced with in this case is the ONLY other person named in this trust is the beneficiary a minor child under 8 yrs of age that could not possess or be in control of any of the weapons for quite some time under any circumstances . I guess I will have to take a chance, print the named trust holder ONLY and see what happens. thanx again for your thoughts ! mike I only accept postal money orders. contact me DIRECTLY before sending any funds email myoldiron@outlook.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 19 August Just call the branch and speak with them. They are always helpful. At least that’s been my experience. Matt 1 person likes this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 19 August MATT thanx, I had thought of that route but do you call a local branch or main office. all I ever get is voice mail ? my last issue it was 3 weeks back and forth b-4 I actually got a human I only accept postal money orders. contact me DIRECTLY before sending any funds email myoldiron@outlook.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 19 August (edited) Quote Who is a Responsible Person? In the case of an unlicensed entity, including any trust, partnership, association, company (including any Limited Liability Company (LLC)), or corporation, any individual who possesses, directly or indirectly, the power or authority to direct the management and polices of the trust or entity to receive, possess, ship, transport, deliver, transfer, or otherwise dispose of a firearm for, or on behalf of, the trust or legal entity. In the case of a TRUST, those persons with the power or authority to direct the management and policies of the trust include any person who has the capability to exercise such power and possesses, directly or indirectly, the power or authority under any trust instrument, or under State law, to receive, possess, ship, transport, deliver, transfer, or otherwise dispose of a firearm for, or on behalf of, the trust. Examples of who may be considered a responsible person of a trust or legal entity include: Settlors/Grantors Trustees Partners Members Officers Board members Owners Beneficiaries – if said beneficiary has the capability to exercise any of the powers or authorities enumerated above. Quote https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/final-rule-41f-background-checks-responsible-persons-effective-july-13 Quote https://eform4.silencershop.com/ Mr. Todd, I believe these links may be of assistance to you. Quote Edited 19 August by MontanaRenegade86 1 person likes this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 19 August THANX ! there you go! that got it all answered . I just didn't know where to look . I don't surf webb sites very well and get lost EASY I should be able to get it right the first time with what you sent. PROOF POSITIVE STURM IS WORKING! AND FULL OF GOOD FOLKS. CHEERS MIKE 1 person likes this I only accept postal money orders. contact me DIRECTLY before sending any funds email myoldiron@outlook.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 20 August On 8/19/2018 at 0:54 PM, mike todd said: THANX ! there you go! that got it all answered . I just didn't know where to look . I don't surf webb sites very well and get lost EASY I should be able to get it right the first time with what you sent. PROOF POSITIVE STURM IS WORKING! AND FULL OF GOOD FOLKS. CHEERS MIKE Very glad to be of assistance, Mr. Todd. I've learned a lot from you and the other good people of Sturm over the few years I've been in the community. I hope to be able to render assistance when possible. Best Regards, Kristopher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
