mike todd

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  1. MG's as an investment

    OK GUYS, THE GLOVES ARE OFF AND THIS JUST GOT A "X " RATING! no other words will fit in this story. Back in 1983 I bought 3 Maremont M-60's. in most cases, I bought more than one because when its broken or blown up, another may not be available and most of my life I shot more than 5k rounds a week and used "battle field" pick up and ammo stored wrong to get the best price so the guns suffered a bit. anyhow back to the M-60's, when they came in, I loaded 6 20mm 1500rnd cans of lake city in my truck and went to the closest place I could shoot. that desert area drew shooters, ATV and motor cross riders in droves. I went to a box draw area unloaded and started emptying links. half way through the first can, I got up , looked around and there were maybe 15 or so bikes and a couple trucks behind me, just watching. I have always been out going and never missed a chance to promote the sport and a couple guys started asking about the gun. pretty soon it was maybe 10 guys talking around my tarp and someone asked how much the gun cost. I mentioned "these " are special and cost a bit more , but a typical belt fed gun package was "about 4 thousand" at that he looked at the 800 or so fired cases and asked ammo cost. I said it varies by quantity at the time but about 30 cents a round. he responded DAMN YOU MUST BE RICH! I said NO I JUST FOCUS ON THIS. his response was "THAT COULD BE HARD WHAT DO YOU MEAN" ? and I came back real fast, NO ITS EASY, JUST GIVE UP WOMEN , DRUGS AND ALCOHOL . he looked at me real hard and said "FU*K THAT " ! my point in sharing that story is we all do things out side of the have to things and have a certain amount of flexable funds. in my case it has always been only gun related. no outrageous dinner out. fast foods, alcohol etc. my early knowledge allowed me to do repairs for cash and that in turn gave me inside access to haunt the pawn shops and gun stores for those hidden treasures someone else wanted and a few sheckles came that way, but it ALL WENT TO MORE GUNS! I used to have long chats with the "lads" in Canada that had MG's and while they all were angry about the new laws that made their MG'S worthless, the fact that they could not get anything new or complete the collection upset them more. MYSELF? at 16 yrs old, I made a pact with society. I promised to obey CRIMINAL LAWS and be a positive contributing member. remember almost all traffic laws are civil violations, so I left that out. I do drive FAST. in turn I expected society to leave me be and allow me to pursue my interests. I have done so but "THEY" have not and "THEY" keep changing the rules! well change all you want, and GOD help anyone that attempts to force me to do things different than I have since then. you wont see me in line to "turn things in" they will have to come and get it. I DO KNOW HOW TO FIX THIS WHOLE PROBLEM! when a politician takes office in this country, they must swear to uphold the CONSTITUTION ! THE FIRST TIME THEY TALK ABOUT CHANGING IT OR THE 2ND AMENDMENT, ARREST THEM AND IMPEACH THEM FOR VIOLATING THAT OATH! I promise you it will only take ONE, then its ALL OVER and you can rest easy.
  2. I guess by now most of you know that the NEW ZELANDER'S got raped bad by the IDIOTS IN POWER with the new regulations. I heard about it and just let it go over my head cuz nothing can be done , but after I went to the police webb site I GOT PISSED! its bad enough and we have heard all the excuses and reasoning , but taking the guns away is NOT ALL THEY WERE AFTER! like our IDIOT'S they used the expression, "in the interest of public safety" but look at the regs and I CANT SEE WHAT OR WHY IT IS WHAT IT IS ! THEY DID NOT JUST MAKE THE GUNS ILLEGAL TO OWN , THE NEW REGS SAY THEY CANT MOVE OUT OF COUNTRY AND TAKE THEM WITH ! THEY CANT SELL THE GUNS OR ANY OF THE PARTS OUT OF COUNTRY ! EVERYTHING AND I MEAN IT ALL MUST BE DESTROYED! owners must accept what ever price the govt offers with no option for appeal! now think about THAT! the shield of PUBLIC SAFETY is completely removed by making it illegal to export parts or complete guns. THEY ARE PUNISHING THEM FOR OWNING THEM. I'M NOT SURE HOW I WOULD REACT, BUT I KNOW IT WOULDNT WORK IN THIS HOUSE AND IT BURNS MY ASS!
  3. Thompson Machine Gun Magazines

    TED, I have a funny thing about what fits / looks right etc. in my WW II top charge THOMPSONS most of the time I use the 30 rnd and that's what is in them on display in the vault . the 20's look right to me in the 28's and the COLT's. I only use 20's in my M-16's and others. its kind of looking at those tractor pull rigs they all look funny to me with that square tubing in the roll bars etc. it just looks pitiful . BILL if your still here, magazine design can make a BIG diff in loading ease. the THOMPSON mags are "DOUBLE COLUM " DOUBLE FEED and that type should also load easy . example? your model 6, UZI, MP-5. where it gets tough is when you go DOUBLE COLUM /SINGLE FEED . the transition causes major friction at the change. again SINGLE COLUM /SINGLE FEED like the sten are usually easy until they get close to full and the extra stiff spring is letting you know you have reached the end. after you reply I was surprised you asked about mags. owners of the model 6 are forced to learn quickly. MODEL 6 mags can be loaded backwards and there is no indication which is proper.on top of that. they have ALWAYS been TOUGH to find! another major reason the design failed. it would have remained one of my favorites had the mag issue been better.
  4. MG's as an investment

    I DONT AGREE WITH MUCH OF THE ABOVE but that's the way its posed to be in this country ! all you guys are thinking since 1986 and as a matter of fact the overall values of MG's increased more than you will believe from 1965 until 1980 . the category index increased more than 2000% ! colt Thompson in 65- $250 / 80-7/10,000 ! 1917A1 =65-$300 /1980-$8000. PICKS WORLD CURRENCY DID A STUDY ON THE MACHINE GUN MARKET IN 1979 AND THE YEARLY AVERAGE INCREASE IN VALUE WAS GREATER THAN 145% . actually I never cared its what I did and I paid whatever I had to in order to get it. never thought about how much I could get for it if I got tired of it. to me getting rid of a machine gun , is just like sitting on a toilet after a meal. I don't want to waste the time and effort, but its going to happen so allow the "movement" to proceed. thank GOD other things worked out well for me and I never had to think much about the money AND I SURE AS HELL DIDNT CARE WHAT SOME WALKING TRASH RECEPATACLE THOUGHT! lt was kinda nice giving them something worth while to bitch about for a change. a good point in fact is the modern perception in this world that created $20,000. MG-34's and a piece of aluminum with a spring auto sear at $30,000. WHAT GIVES YOU THE MOST JOY TO LOOK AT?
  5. KIWI's got hit BAD !

    "THEY DIDNT MAKE DIDDLY " so take a moment and think about yourself ! it all got shoved down their throat just like US now. ITS THE GOVERNING AGENCY and NOT the PEOPLE trying to survive! back in the 90's I got heavy into shipping hotrods and boats over there by the container and met quite a few local machine gunners that had the common interest. all were great guys and I ALMOST made the MOVE over there when we got hit with the assault weapon ban. al the snags moving my collection saved me and I came to my senses. ACTUALLY , THERE WAS NO WAY I WOULD EVER ABANDON A CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT , but at the time they had the most ideal system for this stuff I have seen or heard about. to possess a MACHINE GUN or ASSAULT RIFLE , you got a collectors license and kept your OWN BOOKS ! if you wanted to buy, trade up /down with another collector, both just made the entry in the book and deal DONE ! every 6 months you took your book into the local PD and had them sign off all the entries. ammunition like all luxury items had a 100% import duty. hotrods and boats are considered a luxury, but I quickly learned the officals were typical parliamentary or socialist employees and don't know or care about being correct as long as the proper forms are altered. most the guys I met would have fit in with us any where anytime but AT THAT TIME WHERE JUST WHERE WE ARE NOW , so take heed and GET READY!
  6. Thompson Machine Gun Magazines

    TO ANSWER YOU R QUESTION ,any original Thompson mag will work in your gun EXCEPT those adapted to work in the semi auto guns. 20 and 30 round all work. personally I prefer the 20 round mags. they are easier to load and handle, look right to me and don't hang down too far. I believe all the 28 guns were meant to use the 20 round mags , because the 30 round did not appear until the M-1 went into service. when looking at mags to buy check the hole in the rear, it must be elongated to work in the semi's. and just for your knowledge, all stick mags were blued when made. you will see a lot of parked mags because when packaged they wrapped them in that paper and it would "capture" the moisture in the air when packaged. when we first introduced the "SPITFIRE" for weeks at a time all day I opened hundreds of factory packed cases of what looks like perfect new magazines then when the paper is removed a solid coat of rust is revealed. in fact I unwrapped some and the rust had gone completely through the housing making some nice holes so just keep that in mind. oh how I wish I could still buy them by the case for a quarter. ENJOY YOUR NEW GUN ! it was a wise choice! cheers mike
  7. WANTED: HK PSG1 trigger pack...

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  8. Help ID'ing FN30 Parts

    JOE, YOU ALMOST GOT IT ! the only part you didn't show is the part that tells the extractor what to do all will have machine work on one side and some on both sides , that is the ONLY thing to separate them. the FN-30 is a TOUGH gun to ID because that really ID'S all the browning .30's that FN made to them it was a "type" I never found a bolt/ extension combo that would not run in ANY of them just remember if the parts are there for right and left feed at the trunnion then the bolt should have the switch only the later lite weight guns would dual feed so if a sideplate is present that is "slab" sided it would not feed left and right.
  9. Next mg

    when choosing a gun to shoot , forget ammo cost and focus on the 2nd MOST IMPORTANT thing, FEEDING IT RELIABLY! if all the mags out there are JUNK you are not going to be happy! I believe the RIESING 50 , to be one of the BEST BUYS in the field. its always been one of my favorites, they all work and while not cheep the MAGS ARE GOOD. most guys gripe about the capacity but 20 rounds flawless is 100 times better than 32 sometimes. I put the POWDER SPRINGS and RPB- MAC-10 in .45 right beside it in rank and again because THE MAGS ARE GOOD AND EASY TO GET. lots of folks have the M-11/9 but 90% of the mags out there are TOTAL JUNK. I hear of a few metal converted mags out there but they wont share that info with ME . in 9mm the BERETTA 38 or 38/42 is a good but hard to find piece and prices are close to an UZI these days. MY FIRST CHOICE in a 9mm would be a REGISTERED RECEIVER converted IMI UZI. cost is more but parts are CHEAP and so are the MAGS. beware of the registered bolts and UNPROVEN GROUP GUNS ! getting a refund after the transfer IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. while there are many claim to be happy user's out there , I know of more examples that just wont run even after many EXPERTS have done the deed.
  10. Help ID'ing FN30 Parts

    JOE, are you concerned with operation or just being completely correct? many of the variations are just the way things were done when certain contracts were awarded, also FN was ALWAYS on the lookout for ways to cut costs. another problem is when building guns if they had a large supply of parts and could complete the order, they would use what they had. except for ISRAEL, most of the contracts were for small quantity orders. ITS hard to say without looking at the top, but I believe the right extension is for either the FN-38 or another aircraft gun that had "dual feed" SOME, but not all the FN-38's could be dual feed. I am certainly NO EXPERT, but had more than 75 kits at one time from ISRAEL , HOLLAND, and BELGIUM GOVT contracts. the only guns with any model markings were only model 38's not a single model 30 in my mess had that on it when I visited the plant the last time and managed to get "hands on" in the spec room I found all kinds of variations in the SAME MODEL .
  11. Analyzing ATF rulings can be a challenge and to be safe on my end, I believe ANY parts kit sold or traded must be destroyed at the standards in effect at the time it is offered. which means any saw cut firearm kit, must be torched and the full 1/4" + removed from "all" the pieces BEFORE it is even offered for sale. Many others take a different view and single saw cut MG's etc are openly traded. back in the 80's an individual selling single saw cut Thompson kits was convicted and the facts are well known in that case. Also I do know of a case involving a Russian cannon. it had been cut and approved several years prior to its sale. it was purchased, shipped along with a copy of the approval and when it arrived the buyer was charged with possession of an unregistered DD because it was not done to the level in effect when sold. he was prosecuted and found guilty. SO my contention is, any saw cut sterling would be a violation if traded. several good running Sterlings have been built using the so called 80% Sten tubes and you might be able to get one of those for your build. I have seen a few built with "overlapping" pieces , but they were all very noticeable with crude results. GOD help us but I am sure one of the "other's" will find this thread and opinions will flow unabated, needless to say you will need to reach your own conclusion. JUST BE CAREFULL ! cheers and enjoy MIKE
  12. IN THE EARLY 80's when it became apparent the "slugs" were not just shaking the bush and were a real threat, the various militia groups hit the head lines and I didn't see that as the answer. I have always tried to be a "realist" and aware of most threats then make a plan to counter those threats. SO I put myself in a "situation" and play war games in order to judge my reaction and performance. some how I could never get past that first "knock on the door" or that first "road block" on the highway to my well stocked retreat and imagine myself using a firearm to make the threat "go away". and after more than 30 years doing so, STILL CANT. giving things my best effort, all I see is thousands more individuals in the same boat. 2nd Civil War sounds right and certainly fits, but really may not be in the cards for that very reason. at best I see countless small conflicts all with the same results, PRIED FROM THIER COLD DEAD HANDS. only then can the "REAL CONFLICT" begin which might be doomed from the start, because of all the waste that occurred in the very beginning .while interesting, all I can hope for is that the MAN allows me to observe things as they unfold. TRUMP got what I believed at the time to be my wasted support and I am still in shock over that so I could have it all wrong and I prey every day that's the case. FACTS ARE, "they" do have the momentum and it looks like we wont even make honorable mention come 2020. THANX to DONALD "they" wont be coming in UN trucks, but "they" will be coming. I HOPE YOU GUYS CAN PROVE ME WRONG AND "TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS", if so come to TEXAS and find my "stash" it will help a bunch. ammo , ammo, ammo!
  13. YEP, GOA is a very good and effective organization and it looks like they are indeed here to stay. NEAL was so active and a key to that success I was very worried it was doomed with his passing. BUT thank GOD JEFF and others have managed to hold things together. all that said, I have NEVER heard one politician or slug mention them at all much less express any concern. still they do have room to grow and will continue to get financial support from me , but as far as I am concerned the NRA still gets the major part of my end. when and if the NRA falls, no matter why, get ready to lose anything you have above ground cuz it will be gone before the inks dry. so pray SOMEONE comes to their sense's and figures a way to keep YOU GUY'S happy while reacting to all the other stupidity getting all the press. fighting that along with any internal strife makes them even less effective and waste full. reading this thread reminds me of all the different partisan groups in Russia during WW II . THINK how much effort and how many people and assets they wasted fighting each other instead of the REAL ENEMY?
  14. Johnson, as usual you put a lot more thought in your reply than I did and I HOPE you got it right, but rising may be too late? one thing I HAVE learned once the damage is done it stays. been actively watching this crap since 59 and even went back to the PRE American rifleman days. same old threats but names changed. same fear tactics applied in the 30's and it didn't help us at all. for me, I will keep flushing money down their toilet I don't have anything else to use it for. no one will sell any good grease guns anyhow these days.
  15. Book: Handbook of Machinegun Accessories

    NICK<THANX FOR THE POST! these days there just isn't enough for us to be excited about, but I have been waiting for this a LONG TIME. maybe now I can start using the proper name for things I have. the INTERNET has been a little tough on us old geezer's. many folks study in depth now using the limitless info available. my problem is, I have the stuff, just don't know the "TRUE" or "OFFICAL" name and get called on it at times and this should help. HATS OFF TO YA, FOR SHARING! MIKE
  16. I "BOW" TO THE MASTER ! you said it all.
  17. PETE, I was saddened to see your post even though I have many of the same feelings. when the 86 machine gun ban was mishandled by the NRA and allowed to pass I demanded they cancel and strike from the active records MYSELF / WIFE / SON and DAUGHTERS LIFE membership in protest ! then bought them all back AGAIN in 92 and sent an extra $1000. in support. IMAGINE WHERE WE WOULD BE WITHOUT THEM? YES what they do with some things is almost criminal but the OVERALL EFFECT is still the best shot (intended) we have. ALL OUR MAJOR OPPONENTS FEAR THE NRA WITH GOOD REASON! the waste in membership drives is most likely the worst drain . we all get several membership offers in the mail and that's something that could be easily avoided if a tight belt was any real concern . I don't think private ownership of firearms has much of a future but hope I don't live to see it go away and will do all I can to support any and ALL that openly support the 2nd as it is. at the same time I make it a point to keep up with all the "ANTI" CROWD" . and do so by EXTREMES! when my new trucks came in with BF GOODRICH TIRES, I refused delivery until they were changed. I wont buy ANY firearm related goods that supports CALIFORNIA STATE AGENCIES . I GAVE UP MY ENTIRE DRAG RACING OPERATION, because they required I participate in CALIFORNIA to continue . please consider the value they DO have when talking with others . cheers MIKE
  18. Question about C&R for 1918 BAR

    BRMC, I am a little confused by your post because I have never seen a registered dewat except on a form 4 with a $5.00 tax paid and cant address anything I have not seen. if your explanation concerns those, then your very "detailed" explanation is not correct . don't feel alone, there are many others that have came to the same conclusion. please don't take my response personal, you must interpret things as you see them using the information you have. I have asked this question SEVERAL times both in person, face to face and by letter and the answer has ALWAYS been the same. it is much like I have seen many times in the past and another example of how many legit C+R's are needlessly lost forever. first problem. when a question is asked of ATF they MUST answer it as it is asked and too many folks , "lump" many issues in one sentence trying to get an answer. over the years, I have reactivated countless reg'td dewats using a form 1 and never has the weapon lost its status. one is not "making" they are "repairing" and NO MARKINGS ARE REQUIRED TO BE APPLIED PERIOD ! and the original manufacture remains as a matter of record. I owned a MP-34 that had been transferred as a C+R 3 times since 1997 it had no other markings anywhere on the weapon other than applied when made in the 30's or 40's. in 2014 I sold it and the buyer used a C+R on the new forms. in apprx 3 months it was returned "DENIED" and I had to get on the phone with the ATF tech branch for answers. they explained that in 1983 it had been "RE MANUFACTURED" and the new forms had the company name, rather than "AUSTRIA" as the manufacturer so it was no longer a C+R. on a later application, the new company marks were dropped and AUSTRIA reappeared for origin. they stated that was a "clerical error" but would not disclose who or what the company name was, just that the status was modern and that's final. I have never been a manufacturer , but know one can take on a job for "repair" , or enter a job on the books to "make" both would require a different end result. in 2018 I did 2 examples,both on tax paid form 4's of $5.00 to me. pics were sent in with the form 1 applications. and "restore to live function" the work was completed, no additional markings applied after the approval was received. another example was filed JAN-2019 and the approved form 1 processed in a record for me of 78 days. the piece has already been finished and again no additional markings applied. as it stands I can only go by example and when I see it done and the status lost, I will make an attempt to find out why in order to help others avoid the mistake.
  19. M4 14" barrel

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  20. Bren 7.92 Inglis Barrel

    pm sent! MIKE
  21. Question about C&R for 1918 BAR

    I am sure we will see something different than what I have to say come up, but its actually QUITE SIMPLE ! in order to qualify as a TRUE C+R NFA WEAPON. it had to be in the system and registered B-4 the 1968 gun control act took effect in spring of 1970 and be an ORIGINAL example built by one of the original contractors. both LIVE examples and properly registered dewats qualify. of course a "blanket approval" would require it also be 50 years old at the time of transfer. but individual C+R STATUS is available and possible for any weapon if its rarity/ design/ or history adds more value that exceeds its value as a weapon. if a licensed manufacturer did the work / entered it in his book and registered his name under manufacturer the status is voided even if all he did was add new parts putting it back COMPLETLY original. TODAY you can take a registered DEWAT, use a form 1 , make it live and it will still qualify as a C+R. some shops were misinformed and thought the law required them to mark any rewat with their name and enter it in their books. THAT MAKES IT A NEW BUILD and NOT A REPAIR. IF DONE AS A REPAIR, NO MARKINGS ARE NEEDED. another VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE that concerns ALL C+R's. "THEY MUST BE COMPLETLY ORIGINAL AND UNCHANGED AS MANUFACTURED! I know of more than one COLT 11mm VICKERS sideplate built into ground guns that were wrongfully BOUGHT and TRANSFERED as C+R's when if the actual facts were known to the agency it would not have happened! a "sporterized" 1903 springfield made in 1929 IS NOT A LEGITIMATE C+R! unless requested individually for that exact example by the owner ALL THOMPSON MACHINE GUNS any model no matter when built or by who are now C+R's. ATF tells me as of JAN 1 ,2018 that also applies to ALL SELECT FIRE FAL's and they transferred a SAR-48 on one. I hope that cleared it up for you a bit, trying to use the right words in the right place without stepping on my tongue is hard for this old man at times. cheers MIKE
  22. WTB Polytech,Norinco M14 Semi Auto

    OK GUY'S here is what I believe to be A LITTLE KNOWN FACT about the POLY TEC m-14 -s what I am going to say is very easy to confirm but finding the example to confirm it might be a little tuff. as most in the know are aware. when we were cutting back on M-14 production, we assisted the TAIWAINESE GOVT in setting up a facility to manufacture the M-14 for issue there. my memory of exactly what went down between CHINA and TAIWAIN in politics, but SOMEHOW the CHINESE ended up with almost ALL those NEW select fire weapons. we were one of the FIRST shops in the US to deal DIRECT WITH CHINESE officials for "POLYTECH AK's and sold several hundred b-4 they brought in the M-14 "sporting guns". I had/ have always had a major personal interest in the M-14 and owned several ORIGINAL transferable examples from all 3 manufacturers including many of the preproduction prototype guns, so needless to say I was a completely hooked junkie and had to know all there is about the new imports , so when they mentioned them I ordered 20, and they landed long b-4 they were even known to be available. yes , it saddened me to see that solid fake hider with the welded nut on the barrel , but something else was rotten in Denmark and ATF COMPLETLY MISSED IT! the lack of markings on the "HEEL" of the receiver perplexed me at first. by close observation it was VERY apparent that the "HEEL" had been ground down and on a couple, it was a typical Chinese CRUDE operation. I put them in a parts washer with that old GRAINGER SANTEEN SOLVENT and there was a GHOST of the old markings. THEY HAD USED ORIGINAL MG RECEIVERS AND GROUND ALL THE MARKINGS OFF then added the POLYTECH markings on the left side. all those MG's had forged receivers and were built exactly like our US guns. I cant say how many were done or how long they did it, but there were almost 50 thousand guns produced according to the records. two off those guns were converted and used by us for countless thousands of rounds with lots of barrel changes and NOTHING ELSE. after the market got going and they were out about and used, then all the horror tales hit the streets and that NORINCO after birth sure didn't help any. my whole point in for this little charade is NOT ALL of the polytech m-14's guns were junk! they are not the ONLY ones that used MG receivers where they shouldn't have. my first hot blue on a SPRINGFIELD SAR-48 , the "washer" glued in place of the SAFETY SEAR flew across the shop when I hit it with air?
  23. WTB M2 Carbine

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  24. R.L. after responding to your post as I spent my normal night in and out of the world last night much more came to mind. this type of performance or personal interaction would not have been possible prior to WW II except in a socialist society where it has always been the norm. I don't have the answers but do believe exposure to socialist thoughts allows a gradual change and acceptance much like cursing or smoking in front of your parents gets easier each time after you go out on your own. the constant degrading is inevitable . remember how insulted you were the first time some political idiot mentioned UBI ? now its fairly common and seems to be the base political platform of several "hopefuls" currently ranting in the public domain. I don't really see a fix and my crystal ball has scenes of MONKEY'S climbing around collapsing WASHINGTON federal buildings as the forest reclaims the ruins like they do in SRI LANKA on national geographic. what occurs between now and then is the great unknown, but it WONT be 2 different color uniforms advancing on each other in some pasture with muzzle loaders for damned sure. what is the latest number of AR-15's , 7million? posting like minded folks on these chat boards wont help either. the possibility of talking out a solution has long passed all it can do is strengthen ones resolve.
  25. R.L. chalk up another bad reason to "live another day" and suffer the best parts of the "NEW WORLD ORDER" I have a feeling this newbie is posting like he is in order to have a little protection from the ATF must have reg bus hours line on the license app? the only answer is the obvious conclusion he forced you to come to, NO MORE! I am sure you friends will understand you had the best intentions and no control over the yeh who any how. I don't know an answer and there certainly isnt an easy fix! when I moved here from AZ, I just knew there would be no problem finding an easy going established FFL holder and a class 3 dealer. NOT! keep in mind , I play HARD on the major auction circuit and 30/50 title one wins is quite common. all I could find were dealers in major shopping centers that wanted $50 and up to $100 PER GUN! and my class 3 stuff just sat while I looked for someone within 200 miles I could trust. several suggested this one NFA dealer so I hooked up with him and the first item to clear was a suppressor given to me as a gift. it was a NIB titanium 30 cal. when I went to pick it up it was obvious it had been used and a LOT! with 4 guns pending I just bit my lip and started looking again. while picking up parts from a local manufacturer, I opened up and cried my eyes out. they agreed to handle all my future class 3 and because they don't do anything with used guns gave me a contact for a local retired trooper for the standard stuff. he just charges me by the shipment and not by the piece. it often is less than $10.00 per gun, so now I am in fantastic shape. until some one moves on or quits. wish I could hep ya ! mike