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Well...instead of all the admonition and brow beating...people could just...you know...offer HELPFUL SOLUTIONS!?!?!? For instance... Hi Neo, Thanks for engaging us all and posing such very good questions. Your input is insightful, constructive and thought provoking. In answer to your question, you could simply FORM ANOTHER REVOCABLE TRUST. Your original trust with all your class 3 items (purchased pre-41F) will not be subject to all of the new nonsense (your goal). There is no stipulation that you cannot have as many living trusts as you desire. I have several friends that have created trusts for every single class 3 item they own. This was done because even if the C^*KS>~KERS at the federal level ever ban transferability, you can just "sell" the right to be named a co or sole trustee of the trust that owns the individual class 3 item. Ownership would not technically change; only the custodial and fiduciary duties of maintaining the living trust. High Five Neo...middle finger to all of the cynics...now back to my friggin Mai Tai. AS for the MODERATORS... ***C^*KS>~KERS=CORKSLIKERS***

I hate to break it to you, but many people have absolutely no clue as to what is actually out there as transferrable. There are several (and by several I mean a handful) Colt ACR's (advanced combat rifles), that were papered as transferrable back in the day that can fetch far more than that. I have even seen a transferrable Colt GAU 5A M-16 (GAU 5A Marked US Property with 11.5” barrel and no forward assist. US Air Force contract. Still in use by US Air force security police. ) that would probably go for more than that if it sold on the open market. News flash...most of the really rare stuff never hits these boards and is sold private party amongst the affluent and connected. Even the stuff that does get listed from some of the more prolific collections gets picked over by the connected dealers and friends before it goes to auction or posted on Classified boards. I have seen some stuff that would really blow your mind...and transferrable.

BUT THE SERIAL NUMBER DID...UNLESS BATFE MADE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION...AND THE ROLL STAMPINGS COULD HAVE LEGALLY BEEN DONE AFTER 1989 UNDER MANY SCENARIOS...CLEAR UP UNTIL THE GEMTECH RULING. YOU QUOTED MY QUESTION. I BELIEVE I'VE ASKED IT 3 TIMES NOW. DID YOU EVEN BOTHER TO READ IT? I AM AWARE THAT THE RECEIVERS WERE FINISH MACHINED (OR ENTIRELY MACHINED AFTER 1986)!!! I ACCEPT THAT AS FACT AND DO NOT DISPUTE THAT!!! DID YOU BOTHER TO READ JOHNSONLMG41'S POST ABOVE EITHER? THERE ARE NUMEROUS PLAUSIBLE AND LEGAL WAYS THAT THESE EXIST...GO BACK UP THE THREAD AND READ HIS POST. I'LL ASK YOU DIRECTLY AND EVEYONE ELSE FOR THE 4th TIME... Under what plausible scenario could Colt (or anyone else for that matter) have been able to enter a (multiple) valid "A" prefix serial number(s) into the NFA registry as transferable, post 1986? How is that possible, if (as Sammy portends) "the A prefix serial number did not come out until the 1990's"? I QUIT...HEADACHE!!!

"The facts are clear on the markings and serial numbers being post 1986. There is no evidence that any of us are privy to that would put all this speculation to rest." No...the "facts" are not clear. Unless a special allowance was made by BATFE nearly a decade later in the 1990's, these receivers were pre-1986. They may not have been finish machined into their current configuration, but the FACT that those "A" prefix serial numbers are Valid and Transferrable means that (barring a special exception made by BATFE) Those guns are Pre-1986. This isn't like they slapped a transferable MAC serial number on an M240 or something. These serial numbers are specific to Colt and are indeed Valid. SAMMY IS WRONG...unless he or anyone else can explain how you magically make serial numbers that SAMMY says didn't exist until the 1990's appear in the registry that was closed to new entries in May of 1986. STILL NOBODY ANSWERS MY QUESTION? STILL NOBODY COMES FORWARD WITH ANY PLAUSIBLE SCENARIO ON HOW THIS IS POSSIBLE? ANSWER: BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ONE. YOU ALL THINK YOU KNOW... THE TRUTH IS YOU ALL (MYSELF INCLUDED) REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT REALLY HAPPENED. LIKE I SAID...VECTOR DID VIRTUALLY THE SAME DAMN THING WITH THE MINI UZI THAT IT APPEARS COLT DID HERE. I HEAR YOU ON THE RISK PART THOUGH. IT IS A RISK FOR SURE...ONE THAT YOU ARE EITHER COMFORTABLE WITH OR NOT. I SURE AS HELL AM NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO THE GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT ARGUEMENT UNLESS SOMEBODY CAN PRODUCE SOME HARD EVIDENCE THAT PROVES OTHERWISE. IN MY SHORT TIME COLLECTING I HAVE SEEN MORE ITEMS THAN I CAN COUNT THAT MAGICALLY ENDED UP IN THAT REGISTRY; ALL OF WHICH SHOULD NOT BE THERE BUT ARE. I'VE ALSO SEEN HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF GUNS WHICH SHOULD BE IN THAT REGISRTY (OR CONFISCATED AS MANY SUGGEST) BUT AREN'T (EXAMPLE: ALL THE SEAR CUT TYPE 3 STEYR IMPORT FN FAL'S, WHICH BY ALL RIGHTS AND DEFINITION ARE UNREGISTERED MACHINEGUNS...OR ALL THE G-SERIES FAL'S FOR THAT MATTER THAT ARE IN LIMBO...TECHNICALLY UNREGISTERED MACHINEGUNS BUT NEITHER GRANTED AMNESTY INTO THE NFA NOR CONFISCATED BY BATFE).

No...Sammy does clearly dispute that; He said these are not Pre-1986 serial numbers on these 4-position ENHANCED guns...and I agree with him...caveat: according to what we think we know... I'll say it again... SAMMY SAID: "...the "A" prefix serial numbers didn't even come out until the 1990's." I AM SAYING: 1-The serial numbers on these guns (all of these Colt 4-position guns have "A" prefixes). 2-The serial numbers are VALID according to BATFE and these guns are indeed transferrable. ***3-PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW SERIAL NUMBERS THAT DIDN'T EXIST UNTIL THE 1990's (WHAT SAMMY SAID) ENDED UP IN THE NFA REGISTRY (WHICH CLOSED TO NEW REGISTRATIONS IN MAY OF 1986)?*** MAGIC??? A TIME MACHINE??? SORCERY??? I'll go ahead and tell you how... EITHER... 1-THE GUNS WERE INFACT MANUFACTURED BEFORE 1986 AND THEY ARE LEGIT (I DONT BELIEVE THEY WERE BUT I DO BELIEVE THEY ARE LEGIT). 2-BATFE ALLOWED THESE INTO THE REGISRTY WAAAAY AFTER 1986 (POSSIBLE; I KNOW OF A SPECIFIC INSTANCE WHERE A DEALER KEPT FIVE POST-SAMPLES ON "ACCIDENT" IN THE 1990's FOR NEARLY A DECADE AFTER HE GAVE UP HIS CLASS 3 LICENSE...STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS EXPIRED...AFTER SITTING DOWN AND HASHING IT OUT WITH BATFE THEY DECIDED TO JUST MAKE THEM TRANSFERRABLE). 3-COLT HAD THESE SERIAL NUMBERED LOWERS ENTERED INTO THE REGISTRY BEFORE 1986 AS A BATCH LOT BUT DID NOT FINISH MACHINING THE RECEIVERS UNTIL THE LATE 1990's-EARLY 2000's. THEY THEN MADE THEM INTO CURRENT MODELS WITH DIFFERENT MARKINGS AND SOME DIFFERENT FEATURES. (KIND OF LIKE VECTOR CHOPPING THE ASS END OFF AND PRESSING A DIFFERENT TRUNION INTO A FULL SIZE UZI RECEIVER, THAT WAS MADE BY GROUP INDUSTRIES PRIOR TO 1986 BUT NEVER FINISHED INTO COMPLETE GUNS...AND CALLING IT A VECTOR MINI UZI ON THE FORM.) 4-SOMETHING INVOLVING THE GEMTECH RULING WHEREBY COLT (THE OEM MANUFACTURER) DESTROYED EXISTING PRE-1986 GUNS AND REPLACED THEM WITH THESE (I DONT BUY THIS EITHER; DOES NOT EXPLAIN HOW THE "A" PREFIX SERIAL NUMBERS APPEAR...THE NUMBERS WOULD HAVE HAD TO REMAIN THE SAME). BOTTOM LINE...THE SERIAL NUMBERS ARE VALID AND THE GUNS ARE TRANSFERRING TO INDIVIDUALS. HOW CAN THIS BE, GIVEN WHAT SAMMY SAID (AND HE IS CORRECT...THE "A" PREFIX NUMBERS DIDN'T EVEN COME OUT UNTIL THE 1990's)? BATFE BENT OR BROKE ITS OWN RULES ROUTINELY IN THE PAST OVER MISTAKES IT HAS MADE. WHO KNOWS, BUT THE GUNS ARE LEGIT....THE DETAILS HOWEVER...WELL...THEY ARE SKETCHY?

What's the point? The serial numbers With the "A" prefix are valid. How can that be if that Colt Prefix didn't "come out until the 1990's"? Please elaborate? I'd love to hear some conjectured bullshit story about how a unicorn farted...a fairy sneezed and fluttered her gossamer wings...some scintillating fairy dust fell to earth on the NFA registry and just like MAGIC..."A" prefix serial numbered Colts appeared in the NFA registry and are transferring to individuals! You know...serial numbers that "didn't come out (EXIST) until the 1990's"! Riddle me that! Sammy stated facts. I don't dispute those facts. What I'm asking is how his facts jive with serial numbers that "didn't exist until the 1990's" ended up as Valid serial numbers in the NFA Registry? Answer the question please.

I asked a question (specifically of Sammy). Thank you for your input...can you answer the question? Under what plausible scenario could Colt (or anyone else for that matter) have been able to enter a (multiple) valid "A" prefix serial number(s) into the NFA registry as transferable, post 1986? How is that possible, if (as you portend) "the A prefix serial number did not come out until the 1990's"?

I ask this question in earnest with no malice or argumentative rhetoric implied...I mean that sincerely, as the reason I redacted my above comments were due to the fact that it appeared this thread was degenerating... But I must implore you... The address on the weapon says: Colts MFG CO. INC. Hartford, CT The address on the form states; Colt Firearms Hartford, CT If what you say is true ("...on top of the fact the A prefix serial number didn't come out until the 1990's), under what plausible scenario could Colt (or anyone else for that matter) have been able to enter a (multiple) valid "A" prefix serial number(s) into the NFA registry as transferable, post 1986? How is that possible, if (as you portend) "the A prefix serial number did not come out until the 1990's"?

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